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Thread: Deactivating lower without destroying it.

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    If they are leaving it up to you, then the Devcon approach sounds reasonable. And if you want a more realistic appearance entomb a trigger and pin set in it.

    If anyone asks, you put the pins and trigger in both to keep the Devcon from oozing out, and to make it more difficult if some moron tried to machine the Devcon out.

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    So they've ordered you to deactivate it without giving any guidance on how deactivated it needs to be? Brilliant. How are you ever to know if you've complied with their directives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    the reply was:

    "We don't have that kind of technical knowledge, but just deactivate it".....
    My inner Brig Lawyer immediately jumped to doing what you'd said with the hammer/trigger pin holes...

    ...because if they don't agree that that deactivates it, you have direct evidence in the form of correspondence from the agency demanding the act that they "...don't have that kind of technical knowledge..." to tell you that drilling out the pin holes DOESN'T deactivate it.
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    I'll agree with some others. In the U.S. we have specific requirements to deactivate something. If there is no statute or guidance where you are it could be problematic. Do you guys have a state agency that deals with firearms? If not a Norwegian version of the BATFE at least something like the state criminal investigation bureau.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    Yeah, but the laws changed so that the lower is now the firearm part.

    Any suggestions on how to deactivate a lower.....?

    Machine off the pivot pin holes?
    You better dig up the Norwegian law on that. In Funland deactivation laws have changed quite a bit recently and owners of old deactivated weapons are in a bit of limbo as it is not clear is it legal for them to own the (ex)weapons.

    The most recent, EU based, deactivation is very strict and detailed on how to make the deactivation. I bet your system is too.

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    The crux of the matter is that the authorities have put him on the horns of a dilemma.

    The law doesn't say what is required. The police refuse to offer an opinion, since they don't want to be creating a precedent. they want to leave up to his expertise. (And, of course, if anything goes wrong later, his "expertise" will not have been good enough, regardless of what he does.)

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    Is burying lower out of question? I'd rather bury lower for rainy day than "deactivate" it. But I'm from the South Eastern U.S., were known for our defiance and willingness to bury weapons..
    ^^ Read with southern accent !^^ and blame all grammatical errors on Alabama's public school system.
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    That's not smart. he's already asked the local police about how to deactivate it. If they are no help, and the lower suddenly "goes missing" with no good account for it, he could generate trouble he doesn't need.

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    Just to put everyones minds at ease, no-one is in any trouble here. At all.

    The lowers (2) are currently stored by a gunsmith, awaiting word from the Police Directorate on what specifically to do in order to deactivate them. The answer we got previously was from the Weapons License Office of Oslo PD.

    The lowers are not mine, but belong to the company I work for. They were ordered in good faith, before I started working there, with no knowledge of the law having been changed. The owner was informed of this by the customs officer responsible for doing the customs tax on the shipment.

    As stated, the intention now is to use them for the showroom, but in order to do that we need to deactivate them. We are currently applying for a firearms dealer license, but since we do not have one yet, we cannot have working weapon parts on display.

    It might end up with us having to cut them in half, but I was just checking to see if anyone knew of a way to render them inoperable without destroying them.

    I also find it odd that there are no specific guidelines on how to do this, but I have searched all over for any clues. All I find is a mention of establishing these guidelines, but that they currently don't exist; this is dated 2011.

    http://www.regjeringen.no/mobil/nb/d...html?id=668431

    You guys probably cannot read norwegian, but the link is there anyways...
    Last edited by Arctic1; 08-29-13 at 17:35.
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    We have an extreme "gotcha!" culture in the US when it comes to firearms laws. Extreme caution is warranted here. I'm under the impression much of the western world is much saner and more reasonable.

    I would think Devcon or hot welding in the trigger pocket area would be good. Or sealing up the receiver extension area. Or if you just want to display lower by itself without an upper, welding (or Devcon) the pins in place so it can't be attached to an upper. Just some ideas.

    Of course, this is not legal advice, yadda yadda...
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