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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    Looks like it works as advertised.
    Its barley a 1 MOA rifle, With MATCH AMMO, with a small sample size and no proof/independent testing.

    Add ATLEAST 3/8" POI shift into this(with matched, Match ammo. Want to guess how many brands of diff ammo was tried to get the best shooting factory ammo?)

    Not even close to a precision rifle.

    Keep sucking down the Larue coolaid.

    I don't even know why I bother debating with some people, Its a waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurretGunner View Post
    Its barley a 1 MOA rifle, With MATCH AMMO, with a small sample size and no proof/independent testing.

    Add ATLEAST 3/8" POI shift into this(with matched, Match ammo. Want to guess how many brands of diff ammo was tried to get the best shooting factory ammo?)

    Not even close to a precision rifle.

    Keep sucking down the Larue coolaid.

    I don't even know why I bother debating with some people, Its a waste of time.
    Lets see as advertised.....a .89-1moa group, and a .0-.5" return when rebarreling....as advertised.

    Why so mad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    Lets see as advertised.....a .89-1moa group, and a .0-.5" return when rebarreling....as advertised.

    Why so mad?
    Who is mad?

    Larue is mad because the best they can do is 1.5 MOA on something they consider a precision product.

    Ive got rack grade, non FF AR's that will beat that..........LOL

    KEEEEEP on keeping on there.
    Last edited by TurretGunner; 09-03-13 at 21:54.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurretGunner View Post
    I don't even know why I bother debating with some people, Its a waste of time.
    You haven't been debating. You've all been saying things without proof, just emotions, and gut feelings.

    I have no dog in this fight whatsoever. I own ZERO Larue rifles(nor do I plan to,) but I do use several of their mounts. Some because that was all that was available when I was looking, some because there is nothing else on the market that offers me what I wanted, and some because they're a known standard and simple. Are the mounts RTZ? Mine are close enough that my rifle and ammo won't show me any shift.

    Mark is a giant d-bag, who's built an annoying cult following. But he does generally put out products that work well. I fully expect that this rifle will work and be accurate. I'd also say that regardless of whether or not he was building barrels, the Larue uppers and rifles I've seen were lights out accurate.

    ETA: Return to zero from a barrel change is pretty pointless to me anyway. There are reasons to change barrels, but none of them require you to immediately have a hard zero. If that was your goal you'd just carry a different upper with an already zeroed optic on it. I care about whether or not it holds zero, is reliable, and is sufficiently accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurretGunner View Post
    Who is mad?

    Larue is mad because the best they can do is 1.5 MOA on something they consider a precision product.

    Ive got rack grade, non FF AR's that will beat that..........LOL

    KEEEEEP on keeping on there.
    1.5? huh, I saw a .86 and a .98 group.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    1.5? huh, I saw a .86 and a .98 group.
    Basic Math would indicate 1 MOA rifle + .50 MOA POI Shift = 1.5MOA Variance. And that is best case scenario with cherry picked variables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thopkins22 View Post
    You haven't been debating. You've all been saying things without proof, just emotions, and gut feelings.

    I have no dog in this fight whatsoever. I own ZERO Larue rifles(nor do I plan to,) but I do use several of their mounts. Some because that was all that was available when I was looking, some because there is nothing else on the market that offers me what I wanted, and some because they're a known standard and simple. Are the mounts RTZ? Mine are close enough that my rifle and ammo won't show me any shift.

    Mark is a giant d-bag, who's built an annoying cult following. But he does generally put out products that work well. I fully expect that this rifle will work and be accurate. I'd also say that regardless of whether or not he was building barrels, the Larue uppers and rifles I've seen were lights out accurate.

    ETA: Return to zero from a barrel change is pretty pointless to me anyway. There are reasons to change barrels, but none of them require you to immediately have a hard zero. If that was your goal you'd just carry a different upper with an already zeroed optic on it. I care about whether or not it holds zero, is reliable, and is sufficiently accurate.
    There is no emotion. Gut feeling is logic. Based on historical evidence and reason.

    Something that has been proven time and time again, to not work........all of a sudden ML figures it out? Forgive me if I am skeptical.

    Are you shooting precision rifles? There is a reason, that NOBODY who is serious about the sport/hobby/application, is using them on rifles. Take a look at the precision rifle series, considered by many to be the top level long range practical shooting comp, and tell me how many in the top 25 are using QD mounts of any sort.

    Larue mounts are fine if you are not worried about eeking out every last tenth of an inch, and don't mind your rails getting ****ed up in the process. He makes alot of mounts, that others do not make, which is nice. However his design is outdated. He has not shipped rifles in months. He is out touting new rifles, when he cant even ship old designs that have been backlogged over a year. I wouldn't buy shit from him when you can get a GAP/KAC/LMT , today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurretGunner View Post
    Larue is losing out on the mount/rail game. They have an archaic and dated design. Their rails are old tech and heavy/expensive. Their mounts are inferior to their competition.

    What makes their mounts archaic or dated exactly?

    I understand arguments/being skeptical about RTZ and POI shift but do the mounts lose zero? Do they fall off the rifle?

    I'm being honest here, did their quality take a dump? I've never personaly heard anything bad about their mounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurretGunner View Post
    There is no emotion. Gut feeling is logic. Based on historical evidence and reason.

    Something that has been proven time and time again, to not work........all of a sudden ML figures it out? Forgive me if I am skeptical.

    Are you shooting precision rifles? There is a reason, that NOBODY who is serious about the sport/hobby/application, is using them on rifles. Take a look at the precision rifle series, considered by many to be the top level long range practical shooting comp, and tell me how many in the top 25 are using QD mounts of any sort.

    Larue mounts are fine if you are not worried about eeking out every last tenth of an inch, and don't mind your rails getting ****ed up in the process. He makes alot of mounts, that others do not make, which is nice. However his design is outdated. He has not shipped rifles in months. He is out touting new rifles, when he cant even ship old designs that have been backlogged over a year. I wouldn't buy shit from him when you can get a GAP/KAC/LMT , today.
    What about Larue mounts is "outdated"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    What about Larue mounts is "outdated"?
    Use the search function. Hell, Ive stated it more than half a dozen times on this site alone. No need to change direction of the thread.

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