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    Quote Originally Posted by TurretGunner View Post
    Are you shooting precision rifles?
    With Badger Ordnance rings.


    Quote Originally Posted by TurretGunner View Post
    Larue mounts are fine if you are not worried about eeking out every last tenth of an inch, and don't mind your rails getting ****ed up in the process.
    I've seen rails slightly dinged up by pretty much every big name mount out there. Actually ADM did more scratching to one of my rails than the little polished looking spot from LT mounts. But that ADM was a good mount, and I still use that ADM mount on my current 3-gun rifle. But yes, I agree that if you're going QD you cannot allow yourself to get caught up in tenths of MOA.

    Properly adjusted, LT mounts do take off some anodizing. Then again, my metal adjuster on my VCAS sling takes off anodizing too...and sometimes it takes it off of scopes that cost more than the rifle. And I definitely hear you about the rails he's still selling. Solid, but not with the times.


    Edit to get back on topic: I don't really doubt that his claims are true, and you're still correct on some level. His rifle likely will be subMOA with the right loads, and it likely won't exhibit perfect RTZ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thopkins22 View Post
    With Badger Ordnance rings.



    I've seen rails slightly dinged up by pretty much every big name mount out there. Actually ADM did more scratching to one of my rails than the little polished looking spot from LT mounts. But that ADM was a good mount, and I still use that ADM mount on my current 3-gun rifle. But yes, I agree that if you're going QD you cannot allow yourself to get caught up in tenths of MOA.

    Properly adjusted, LT mounts do take off some anodizing. Then again, my metal adjuster on my VCAS sling takes off anodizing too...and sometimes it takes it off of scopes that cost more than the rifle. And I definitely hear you about the rails he's still selling. Solid, but not with the times.
    If you get a chance, try out a BOBRO. That is if you NEED QD.

    I run Badger and KAC 1 pieces on my AR's. The Badger is HARD to beat for the money and weight.

    EDIT: Sorry for Detour. Just saw that there is a dude that has been waiting over 2 YEARS for his OBR. That is just crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurretGunner View Post
    There is no emotion. Gut feeling is logic. Based on historical evidence and reason.

    Something that has been proven time and time again, to not work........all of a sudden ML figures it out? Forgive me if I am skeptical.

    Are you shooting precision rifles? There is a reason, that NOBODY who is serious about the sport/hobby/application, is using them on rifles. Take a look at the precision rifle series, considered by many to be the top level long range practical shooting comp, and tell me how many in the top 25 are using QD mounts of any sort.

    Larue mounts are fine if you are not worried about eeking out every last tenth of an inch, and don't mind your rails getting ****ed up in the process. He makes alot of mounts, that others do not make, which is nice. However his design is outdated. He has not shipped rifles in months. He is out touting new rifles, when he cant even ship old designs that have been backlogged over a year. I wouldn't buy shit from him when you can get a GAP/KAC/LMT , today.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurretGunner View Post
    Amazing that companies that have been in the precision game for decades, have yet to be able to make a QD barrel work.

    You are going to have POI/POI shift, especialy with the way the larue barrel nut is set up. There is no way you are going to get the same possition, torque, and pressure every time.

    Furthermore, you are blindly saying they can make this and will work, when you have no proof whatsoever. Sounds like you drink a little too much of the Larue coolaid.

    The only thing "new" about this, the the cam locked rail.

    In the end, this offers little to nothing over breaking down an AR. You save what....? 6" inches or so of receiver when you take the barrel off? Cannot think of an application where a precision rifle would need to be able broken down that far. What kind of range and terminal ballistics do you expect out of a .308 frame gun? Try running .260/6.5CM/.243 out of a short barrel and let me know how that works for you.

    If it NEEDs to be short, than a bullpup is the only way to go without sacrificing barrel length that is needed for most of those rounds to be effective.

    It might seem as if Im picking on you by calling you out twice now in precision type threads within the last few weeks, but like last time....your spewing bullsh*t on a subject that I have extensively studied over the years, and unlike 99% of folks online sharing an opinion on this.....you can find my evaluations, testings, and conclusions in regards to LP rifles, and even more specifically RTZ barrel rifles (own 5 LMT monolithic chassis QD barrel systems), and RTZ mounts (half dozen ADM/Larue models) throughout my posting history.

    So while your entitled to any opinion you want on these matters, you can't keep masquerading it as if it were anything but one member's unqualified thoughts.

    If need be, I can point you to my old evals. tests, and thoughts that have documented my continual success RTZing both LMT chassis/barrels, and ADM/Larue mounts.

    If I'm not actually posting the "goods", I only weigh in on M4C when I have first hand, real world opinions that are at least based on actually shooting rifles, even if I haven't extensively studied the topic at hand. M4C only works when folks remember that imho.
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    I just wasted 15 mins reading the last two pages. I ordered both the 7.62 and 5.56 PredatOBR because I can and wanted to run my own eval. . I agree with Trident - Data speaks louder than words.

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    Last edited by muldoon; 09-04-13 at 07:14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    It might seem as if Im picking on you by calling you out twice now in precision type threads within the last few weeks, but like last time....your spewing bullsh*t on a subject that I have extensively studied over the years, and unlike 99% of folks online sharing an opinion on this.....you can find my evaluations, testings, and conclusions in regards to LP rifles, and even more specifically RTZ barrel rifles (own 5 LMT monolithic chassis QD barrel systems), and RTZ mounts (half dozen ADM/Larue models) throughout my posting history.

    So while your entitled to any opinion you want on these matters, you can't keep masquerading it as if it were anything but one member's unqualified thoughts.

    If need be, I can point you to my old evals. tests, and thoughts that have documented my continual success RTZing both LMT chassis/barrels, and ADM/Larue mounts.

    If I'm not actually posting the "goods", I only weigh in on M4C when I have first hand, real world opinions that are at least based on actually shooting rifles, even if I haven't extensively studied the topic at hand. M4C only works when folks remember that imho.
    Trident, You are not the the only person who has used these items. I have owned around half a dozen ARMS, Larue, ADM and Bobro each.

    1. The LMT is NOT a precision rifle. It's a DMR type rifle that sometimes is cappable of being pretty accurate. Most I have seen even with the SS barrel are 1 MOA rifles.(CL, another story)
    2. The LMT Barrel lockup and the Larue Lockup are not the same. The LMT atleast lends itself to some sort of repeatability. The Larue is using HAND torque, not even a tool to ensure repeatability.
    3. There is always shift with QD mounts. Both the Larue and ADM are inferior to other designs. I would like to see your "data".
    4. One person's data set means about as much in your own words 'one member's unqualified thoughts'.

    So do me a favor and stop calling other members unqualified yet pushing your own brand of semi-reasoning. People have been using these products for years, and have already determined if they meet their needs or not.

    Last time I checked this was a discussion about a new Product. I guess based on your criteria of who should and should not post here, unless one already owns/shot a PretaOBR, they should just keep their mouth shut? In that case, there wouldn't even be a thread.

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    Ive got a better idea, how bout you both take it to PMs so the rest of us can read the subject at hand and not your pissing match, KTHX.
    Dont sweat the small stuff.


    If youre not taking fire, its all small stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thopkins22 View Post
    With Badger Ordnance rings.



    I've seen rails slightly dinged up by pretty much every big name mount out there. Actually ADM did more scratching to one of my rails than the little polished looking spot from LT mounts. But that ADM was a good mount, and I still use that ADM mount on my current 3-gun rifle. But yes, I agree that if you're going QD you cannot allow yourself to get caught up in tenths of MOA.

    Properly adjusted, LT mounts do take off some anodizing. Then again, my metal adjuster on my VCAS sling takes off anodizing too...and sometimes it takes it off of scopes that cost more than the rifle. And I definitely hear you about the rails he's still selling. Solid, but not with the times.


    Edit to get back on topic: I don't really doubt that his claims are true, and you're still correct on some level. His rifle likely will be subMOA with the right loads, and it likely won't exhibit perfect RTZ.
    Read my comments here: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=136630


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    I think this is true (that LT mounts will return somewhat close to zero). So will every other companies as well (FYI).

    The issue is that over time, the lever push in or dent the side of the aluminum cause the mount to not retain or repeat zero (unless you re-adjust the lever and start over).

    This is why I prefer mounts that have much greater surface contact area.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dewman View Post
    The first confirmed unit was shipped out to someone last week, so I would expect to see facts concerning this be verified/challenged over the next few months - info on that unit is online.
    I shot one recently, but unfortunately, I'm less than a novice when it comes to precision rifles. I was mostly impressed by how short the package was (the nylon roll that the rifle components fit into, before going into the tool box), and how quickly the owner was able to assemble and disassemble it. As mentioned, the main advantage is the short length of the whole package when broken down. I'd estimate that the tool box is about 6"-8" shorter than it would be if you just separated the upper and lower receivers (obviously you could calculate exactly how much shorter based on the barrel and receiver length). I could see advantages in terms of concealability for certain operational requirements too.

    This was a 50m indoor range, so we were obviously limited in how we could judge the rifle's performance. We were just getting together with a group for a fun shoot.

    Dave

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