Remington and Benelli

[chadb]

I shoot a Benelli SBE2 and I love it

[loupav]

I just bought a slightly used SBE1 a few days ago. I am going to add a nordic tube and factory mercury recoil reducer. I can't wait to shoot it!

[Gutshot John]

If you're talking a pump gun, I'd stick with the 870 and the Express is more than adequate.

I was just reviewing another forum with a similar post. I have a Benelli M1S90 imported through HK. It is a fabulous gun and super fast and reliable. I also have a Remington 11-87P that has been reliable with all full power loads I put through it, but will not cycle the low recoil shot shells. That doesn't matter to me as I prefer the full power loads in all my shotguns. The 11-87P is an outdated gas operated design, but still functional. I stock up on O-rings, and keep a spare piston seal assembly on hand. The Benelli is set it and forget it.
Benelli is a more modern design- both the inertia and the argo systems, and when it comes to innovation in semi auto shotguns, Benelli leads the pack IMHO. I still love my soft shooting 11-87P, but if I could only have one.......Benelli hands down.

I prefer my 11-87P and sold my Benelli M2, but your assessment is more than fair.

My only qualification is that short of enough lube, when a Benelli goes down, it goes down hard. When an 11-87 goes down, 95% of the time you're back up and running in a few minutes after an o-ring or piston seal change (I keep both as well), so long as you keep it adequately oiled.

The only time I've seen an 11-87 go down hard was a clays gun on which someone didn't use enough lube and put a slight (but fatal) bend in the gas tube.

[sinjinhawk]

There seems to be some confusion on this subject matter. Comparison with a Benelli M1or M2 (semi-auto) to a Remington 870 (pump-action). To make this discussion short and clear in my own opinion and personal experience, if your choice is semi -auto then Benilli M1 or M2 if pump action then Remington 870 bar-none.

[Cold]

SuperNova, no question.

[BIGUGLY]

Definitely the Benelli. I'm sorry you just can't go wrong with their supernova or a nova. and if you get into some options that take considerable more funds you can't beat a SBE II or a Vinci.

[Alaskapopo]

I'm looking at buying one of these guns for HD and range practice, etc. Both seem to fit me OK, and both appear to have good reputations. The Benelli with Ghost Ring sights is $378 at a local LE supply store, while the 870P is considerably more.

All other things being equal, which one is less likely to have QC issues out of the box?

Benelli all the way. New Remington 870's suck ass! Just the other day at a match I hosted one shooter with a new 870 had the extractor fly off the gun. That gun was done for the day and it only have a few rounds fired through it. Remington quality has gone down hill in a bad way. That same shooter showed up yesterday with a Nova and the gun ran. Remington has done way to much to cut costs and quality has suffered. As for Remington autos the Versamax is looking good so far. The older 1100's and 1187's forget about it. Finicky jamamatcis. Benelli is the gold standard for reliability in shotguns.

Pat

[Slater]

To digress a bit, how's the QC these days on Mossberg 500/590's?

[Gutshot John]

Remington 1100/1187s function just fine so long as you use full power ammo. 3 Gun shooters are always looking to shoot the lightest loads and invariably screw themselves.

The "finicky jamamatic" is internet bullshit perpetuated by Benelli fanboys. It's simply not true. I have 2 1100s and 2 1187s dating between 1987 to 2011. I put hundreds of rounds through mine every month without a hiccup, cleaning every 6-8 weeks. They all run like tops if you use sufficient power loads. So does every other one I know.

99% of people who experience problems with them either use weak ammo or don't know how to do basic maintenance. When they do have a real problem, 95% of the time it's simply a change of gas ring (2-3 minutes tool-less fix) and you're back in business. When Benellis go down, they're done for the day.

My Benelli M2 (20 gauge) had more problems than any of my Remmys and was quite finicky about ammo that supposedly met manufacturer spec, I sold it and never looked back.

Funny that the only semis I see on the clays/skeet/trap range are either Remingtons or Beretta, very very very few, if any, Benellis. And clays shooters shoot WAY more than 3 gunners by multiple times, especially in western PA. I'd go with Remmy or Beretta well before I'd buy another Benelli.

At some point I'll get a Versamax, but don't believe the Benelli hype, they're definitely good guns, but you're paying a lot for just a name. Factor in cheap and plentiful aftermarket parts that don't have to be imported and Benelli isn't without its issues.

[Alaskapopo]

Remington 1100/1187s function just fine so long as you use the proper ammo.

The "finicky jamamatic" is internet bullshit perpetuated by Benelli fanboys. It's simply not true. I have 2 1100s and 2 1187s dating between 1987 to 2011. I put hundreds of rounds through mine every month without a hiccup, cleaning every 6-8 weeks. They all run like tops if you use sufficient power loads. So do most others I know.

99% of people who experience problems with them either use weak ammo or don't know how to do basic maintenance. When they do have a real problem, 95% of the time it's simply a change of gas ring (2-3 minutes tool-less fix) and you're back in business. When Benellis go down, they're done for the day.

My Benelli M2 (20 gauge) had more problems and was very finicky about ammo that supposedly met manufacturer spec, I sold it and never looked back.

Funny that the only semis I see on the clays/skeet/trap range are either Remingtons or Beretta, very very very few, if any, Benellis. And clays shooters shoot WAY more than 3 gunners by multiple times.

At some point I'll get a Versamax, but don't believe the Benelli hype, they're definitely good guns, but you're paying a lot for just a name.

You're mistaken its has been seen with my own eyes and plenty of other three gunners. Not internet BS its reality. As for Clays and the various gentlemen games they have alibies and they are very easy on their guns. One of my best friends that shoots Sporting Clays has nothing good to say about Remington either. With a Benelli you don't have to replace o rings constantly or keep the gun super clean for it to run. I have cleaned my M2 once in the last year and it has not missed a beat. By the way look at the response to this thread it appears I am not alone in my observations in this matter.
Pat