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bulbvivid,
So, Catch 22?
I haven't used a steel cleaning rod in years. Truth be known, I probably put more wear and tear on my rifles with a steel cleaning rod than by shooting them.
A friend gave me an Otis cleaning kit for helping with a NRA class. I tend to use it to clean AR-15s more than anything else.
Last edited by T2C; 09-03-13 at 17:01.
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On my precision rig I use a bore guide. But my precision rig is a bolt action and not an AR. One good thing about a bore guide is if you are using a cleaning solution like outers or one that is made for taking out copper you usually don't want that solution on anything but the inside of the barrel. So if you use a bore guide it helps to keep your soaked patches from touching anything you don't want it to.
If you are using a good cleaning rod from Dewey or Tipton. you won't damage anything.
I use them on my precision guns, but not my everyday guns.
The bore guides are very handy when cleaning with solvents,for example,like Sweets7.62. Keeps the solvents out of hard to reach areas like the receiver and barrel extension on AR's,and receivers on bolt actions.
They also help reduce wear to coated rods like the Dewey from deflection with tight patches/brushes..
I use the bore guides frequently due to saving wear and tear on my Dewey rods and copper solvents....lots of folks buy these tools for the same reason.
I can say that my 15 year old Dewey rods look as new as the day I got them due to using a bore guide....will last a lifetime as far as I can see.
That said,Ive got into the habit of using an Otis 3-Gun kit for most of my daily needs.Only use the Dewey rods/bore guide for my annual detail clean where I remove copper from all bores.
Last edited by Blankwaffe; 09-03-13 at 21:28. Reason: ETA
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It can and will damage the bore but not because you are going the wrong direction. Because you are rubbing the rod on the most critical part of the bore, the muzzle. Also the muzzle is sharp compared to the leade which is chamfered making the leade more resistant to damage.
I use a rod guide sometimes, mostly don't. I have begun cleaning by injecting a few CCs of Montana Extreme in the bore and letting it soak for several hours, patch it our then repeat and repeat until the patch no longer shows copper. This leaves very little patching and little need for a bore guide.
bjxds, there are rod guides made for the muzzle of various rifles that must be cleaned from the muzzle. The use of such is time and money well spent.
I saw an old guy cleaning a BAR (the olden kind, a model 1923 I think) converted to semi-auto. They must be cleaned from the muzzle. He was using an old beat up rod that did't have 2 inches of straight metal in it. I felt sick in my stomach.
No myth, it's a fact, a well known fact among old timers. In fact, there were available gauges for measuring muzzle wear of M1 rifles and shooters and collectors of such often have and use them. This wear is caused almost entirely by poor cleaning. Knowledgeable shooters of the M1 rifle clean with great care for this reason. Best bet, don't clean from the muzzle unless you have to.
The carbon fiber rods are much, much less stiff than steel that is they bow much more under the same load. For that reason I got rid of the two I had.
Last edited by Suwannee Tim; 09-03-13 at 21:43.
Yeap,Ive seen more than a few egged out muzzles on Remington 742/7400/Mod.4/7600 and Browning BAR's(modern commercial huntin types) and BLR's.Another good example,my uncle washed a muzzle in a mater of a couple years of infrequent cleaning on a new Browning BLR using a sectional steel rod.Although when he was cleaning the bore it typically looked like he was working a churn.
Lots of rod washed muzzles on surplus guns that are so bad they're counter bored 1.5" down the bore.
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