6-8 year old shoots LEO on accident ?

**crusader377** · 09-04-13, 10:20

Based on the information provided, I think the officer should be fired. He clearly lacks the basic discipline for properly carrying of a weapon and is a liability for the community and department.

**Palmguy** · 09-04-13, 10:39

The comments on that article are unusually painful to read.

**Endur** · 09-04-13, 11:06

Originally Posted by sboza

This is why I stay away from GD. Do you, based on the very little information presented, suggest that every time an officer or ccw holder is at an event with children present, they should remove the chambered round? How does that saying go "better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."

Anyway, I would like some more info on the holster.

There is a huge difference between an officer on patrol or posted at a school or an event than officers at a public demonstration for children and young teens. Given that situation an officer should not be in condition 0/1 for the fact they are demonstrating gear and what not. Especially when children are the focus of their demonstrations and so forth. We all know children tend to crowd and are curious. Ten to one that child thought it was ok to go and touch that officers side arm as apart of the demonstration. Firearms were probably not used in their demonstration but that child probably didn't know any better. The officers illustrating their equipment should of had their weapons clear just for this type of incident. Doesn't mean other officers there not instructing but for presence/security should have been clear.

If I am the officer with the focus of attention for a group of children at an event I am not going to have a loaded weapon when showing our departments equipment and use of. Chances are those kids are going to crowd with excitement and curiosity, especially for a "cool factor" like a SWAT unit. The other officers on site not delivering the presentation would be the first line security/supervision/observers for any possible threats, not the presenting officer/officers.

A CCW'er is completely different as they are not a law enforcement agency delivering presentations to children for community support and education. One which presents their equipment where a sidearm can be confused/misinterpreted as apart of said equipment.

**Alaskapopo** · 09-04-13, 11:11

Originally Posted by Endur

Instead of shooting off with the fingers you should ask me to explain further.

There is a huge difference between an officer on patrol or posted at a school or an event than officers at a public demonstration for children and young teens. Given that situation an officer should not be in condition 0/1 for the fact they are demonstrating gear and what not. Especially when children are the focus of their demonstrations and so forth. We all know children tend to crowd and are curious. Ten to one that child thought it was ok to go and touch that officers side arm as apart of the demonstration. Firearms were probably not used in their demonstration but that child probably didn't know any better. The officers illustrating their equipment should of had their weapons clear just for this type of incident. Doesn't mean other officers there not instructing but for presence/security should have been clear.

If I am the officer with the focus of attention for a group of children at an event I am not going to have a loaded weapon when showing our departments equipment and use of. Chances are those kids are going to crowd with excitement and curiosity, especially for a "cool factor" like a SWAT unit. The other officers on site not delivering the presentation would be the first line security/supervision/observers for any possible threats, not the presenting officer/officers.

A CCW'er is completely different as they are not a law enforcement agency delivering presentations to children for community support and education.

No you carry your guns they way they are designed to be carried no matter what. You also use a good holster that covers the trigger and most importantly you keep aware of your surroundings. If a kid could pull the trigger on his weapon so could a bad guy. I have not personally seen a holster that accepts lights where you could easily pull the trigger. I use a Safariland 6280 and no way someone could pull the trigger on my Glock with the gun in the holster.
Pat

**Endur** · 09-04-13, 11:17

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

No you carry your guns they way they are designed to be carried no matter what. You also use a good holster that covers the trigger and most importantly you keep aware of your surroundings. If a kid could pull the trigger on his weapon so could a bad guy. I have not personally seen a holster that accepts lights where you could easily pull the trigger. I use a Safariland 6280 and no way someone could pull the trigger on my Glock with the gun in the holster.
Pat

Yeah a bad guy is going to walk up in the middle of an organized law enforcement event full of children with other officers there specifically to overwatch for threats, right up to the presenting/demonstrating officer and pull his damn weapon. There is no logic in that. Coming from a law enforcement officer you should know better. Plain and simple the presenting officers should have cleared weapons with another group of officers for security and this wouldn't have happened. Period.

**NCPatrolAR** · 09-04-13, 11:18

Originally Posted by Sensei

I'm trying to think of some thigh rigs that might allow this, but none come to mind. Is there a particular holster that you had in mind?

The Safariland 6360 body will permit it. At least on the M&P models it does

YouTube video showing how this can occur

**NCPatrolAR** · 09-04-13, 11:38

Originally Posted by Endur

Instead of shooting off with the fingers you should ask me to explain further.

There is a huge difference between an officer on patrol or posted at a school or an event than officers at a public demonstration for children and young teens. Given that situation an officer should not be in condition 0/1 for the fact they are demonstrating gear and what not. Especially when children are the focus of their demonstrations and so forth. We all know children tend to crowd and are curious. Ten to one that child thought it was ok to go and touch that officers side arm as apart of the demonstration. Firearms were probably not used in their demonstration but that child probably didn't know any better. The officers illustrating their equipment should of had their weapons clear just for this type of incident. Doesn't mean other officers there not instructing but for presence/security should have been clear.

If I am the officer with the focus of attention for a group of children at an event I am not going to have a loaded weapon when showing our departments equipment and use of. Chances are those kids are going to crowd with excitement and curiosity, especially for a "cool factor" like a SWAT unit. The other officers on site not delivering the presentation would be the first line security/supervision/observers for any possible threats, not the presenting officer/officers.

A CCW'er is completely different as they are not a law enforcement agency delivering presentations to children for community support and education. One which presents their equipment where a sidearm can be confused/misinterpreted as apart of said equipment.

Clearing out your duty weapon, while on duty, is generally not done and is often a violation of departmental policy. For demos such as the one mentioned there is usually only minimal staffing from the officers.

**Endur** · 09-04-13, 11:44

Originally Posted by NCPatrolAR

Clearing out your duty weapon, while on duty, is generally not done and is often a violation of departmental policy. For demos such as the one mentioned there is usually only minimal staffing from the officers.

I understand that; I am not saying clear their weapon right there at the event. I am saying the specific officer presenting the demo itself should have his weapon already clear or secured elsewhere while the other officers on site not being the presenters ready as usual and more focused on security for the event than the demo itself but not specifically detached for community involvement issues (think community policing). That way an incident like this or similar doesn't unfold while still having proper security.

**NCPatrolAR** · 09-04-13, 11:56

Originally Posted by Endur

I understand that; I am not saying clear their weapon right there at the event. I am saying the specific officer presenting the demo itself should have his weapon already clear or secured elsewhere while the other officers on site not being the presenters ready as usual and more focused on security for the event than the demo itself but not specifically detached for community involvement issues (think community policing). That way an incident like this or similar doesn't unfold while still having proper security.

You're entitled to your view.