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    Bushmaster has absolutely no time for customers after the sale. My brother bought a carbon15 for his 8yr. old, it was supposed to be a Christmas gift. We took it to the range before giving it to my nephew to be sure it functioned properly. After 32rds. of PMC .223, the rifle cracked above the rear of the pistol grip. It was cracked all the way through the left side right behind the take down pin (wish I would have taken pics.).

    He called BM and explained what happened but the BM employee on the phone had no time for him. He had several excuses of what we did wrong with the rifle and it was not the problem of BM. The guy said they have been making the rifle for quite a while and never heard of anything like this happening before. He actually asked my brother if he ran it over or dropped it trying to do a torture test...... Long story short, he went back and forth on the phone for weeks with no help from BM.

    He took it back to the gun shop where it was purchased to show them what happened after less than 50rds. The shop owner actually replaced the rifle with an M&P plus some cash and said he would take care of the broken rifle(not sure what he did with the BM).
    I know I will never buy anything from BM after this incident. They didn't have a care in the world that their product failed and wanted to hear nothing of it.

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    Poly lowers are a bad enough idea.

    Poly uppers?

    Kinda like a football bat, huh?

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    This is in no way a statement contradicting the general consensus that BM is in fact a bowel movement of the AR world as Doc pointed out, however it was my first AR as I did not know better...

    Never had a problem with it. And their CS sent me out a standard height front site pin when I put a BUIS on the back and could not get it to zero due to the FSB not being standard height.

    Having said that, the idea of a plastic upper (and lower for that matter) makes me cringe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex V View Post
    This is in no way a statement contradicting the general consensus that BM is in fact a bowel movement of the AR world as Doc pointed out, however it was my first AR as I did not know better...

    Never had a problem with it. And their CS sent me out a standard height front site pin when I put a BUIS on the back and could not get it to zero due to the FSB not being standard height.

    Having said that, the idea of a plastic upper (and lower for that matter) makes me cringe.
    Just to let you know, BM has seen that movie before (in regards to you needing a taller front sight post). In fact, ALL BM AR's need this IF you use a non-adjustable rear sight.

    So what is crappy is that they don't just install it from day one, but let people shoot hundreds of rounds trying to zero their guns.



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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Just to let you know, BM has seen that movie before (in regards to you needing a taller front sight post). In fact, ALL BM AR's need this IF you use a non-adjustable rear sight.

    So what is crappy is that they don't just install it from day one, but let people shoot hundreds of rounds trying to zero their guns.

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    I figured it out after only about 20 rounds tho... thanks in no small part to this forum!

    Yes, they should just install an F-Marked FSB and call it a day or include the taller post. I just don't get it, they do this (I think) that they can use their shorter than standard removable carry handle sight. Why not just make everything spec. height? Why invent their own crap standard?

    Am I missing something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex V View Post
    Why not just make everything spec. height? Why invent their own crap standard?

    Am I missing something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    So a friend on the forum brings in a BM Carbon 15 (that is owned by a friend of his) for a new gas tube. The top of the GT (closest to the top of the charging handle) is smashed and crimped downward. I looked at it and was like how Da F*Q did that happen??

    So as I push out the roll pin on the GT and look at the the GT hole in the upper receiver. It is pushed all the way to the side (touching the wall). Hmm, that's interesting. I wonder if the FSB wasn't installed straight (canted) and is causing it. So I pull the upper out of the vice and look at it. Sure enough, the the FSB is canted. Ugh.

    I remove the GT and then remove the barrel nut. As I am turning the barrel nut, I feel the entire barrel turn slightly. After removing the barrel nut, I see that the alignment pin in the barrel extension had pushed its way through the plastic of the upper receiver during installation (most likely from over tightening). Double Ugh.


    The best part is the owners contacted BM for help and they blew them off.

    Did I mention that I love working on BM's.



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    Grant,
    On day one of a recent Patrol Rifle class we put on at work one of the guys brought a Carbon 15 that had never been fired, fresh out of the box. He had, however, dry cycled the action a good bit. His had the same issue as the one your friend brought you, and the mouth of the carrier key was SMASHED from bashing into the gas tube repeatedly! We did what we could, but it was a soup sandwich. He borrowed another rifle for the class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Just to let you know, BM has seen that movie before (in regards to you needing a taller front sight post). In fact, ALL BM AR's need this IF you use a non-adjustable rear sight.

    So what is crappy is that they don't just install it from day one, but let people shoot hundreds of rounds trying to zero their guns.



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    I actually threw a couple of the extra tall front sight posts in my range bag so that I can be a hero to people who are clearly starting to not have fun with their new toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M4C View Post
    Grant,
    On day one of a recent Patrol Rifle class we put on at work one of the guys brought a Carbon 15 that had never been fired, fresh out of the box. He had, however, dry cycled the action a good bit. His had the same issue as the one your friend brought you, and the mouth of the carrier key was SMASHED from bashing into the gas tube repeatedly! We did what we could, but it was a soup sandwich. He borrowed another rifle for the class.
    Interesting. So this one wasn't a fluke then.

    This gun that I was going to fix for free is now going to cost me several hundred to fix properly as I didn't have the tool I needed. Ugh.

    Did I mention that I love BM???



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    Quote Originally Posted by thopkins22 View Post
    I actually threw a couple of the extra tall front sight posts in my range bag so that I can be a hero to people who are clearly starting to not have fun with their new toy.
    LOL, that is funny. I simply "Show Up" to the range and am the hero.


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