My cousin is in the corps and came home last weekend telling me a friend of his is getting a AR that is carbon... I hope he didn't buy a bushtrashter c15
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My cousin is in the corps and came home last weekend telling me a friend of his is getting a AR that is carbon... I hope he didn't buy a bushtrashter c15
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I realize the backlash coming but, I bought an early carbon 15, early 2003 or so, the one with oval handgaurd and stainless flutted bbl, unique bolt carrier group and buttstock assembly and weighed about a five pounds . I have about 5K rnds thru it with out an issue. It fed steel case cheapass wolf, silverbear as well as xm193 without a problem. It was fairly accurate with stainless bbl, the one feature i remember was the huge muzzle flash and the blast felt by my friend next to me. It was fun to shoot, but after years of trying I got a ffl to transfer in a 6920.
I also have one of the Lake Havasu made Bushmaster branded Carbon 15s and it has been a great gun, if what you are looking for is an extremely light weight, light duty AR. It has never bobbled and shoots better than I expected but 2 mags (20s) in short order starts the melting plastic aroma.
I also bought a current production Bushmaster Carbon 15 for a test bed and broke the Picatinny rail off the top and the hinge off the bottom of the upper when I removed the barrel. The “Carbon” ain’t got much carbon but seem like recycled soda pop bottles.
It busted with less than 10lbs of torque on the barrel wrench with very little flex, just a snap.
It now has a Troy VTAC Alpha rail and a forged upper but if the lower snapped off at the extension from a hard look I honestly would not be surprised.
While most here have no use for plastic uppers and lowers it seems Bushmaster doubled down and used crappy plastic.
Last edited by weggy; 09-14-13 at 20:27. Reason: ****ed up
There are only 2 things we should fight for. One is defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights.
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The sad thing is that the lgs near me sells a ton of those ATI lowers and tells people they're good for 5.56 as well as .22lr. I guess that's the only good part about the SAFE act: it will stop crap lowers from being sold to the uninformed.
Oh, and I'm stealing Grant's sig idea...
Last edited by mattiep321; 09-15-13 at 08:11.
Unfortunately, I didn't know about M4C when I was making my first AR purchase several months ago, but I fell into the Bushmaster Carbon ditch when shopping for my AR. The dealer said he sells alot of them (sales pitch), so I bought one. I liked it. Light as a feather, ultra cool red dot, but started lurking around forums and read about the issues with it, but I haven't had any as of yet. I limit it to .223 55 grain and it groups well. I've put over 500+ rounds and it is NOT my SHTF gun...limited to plinking. I also purchased a Rock River, which has been absolutely flawless.
With Bushmaster, some will defend it, most will kick it, but I own it so it really doesn't matter. Best thing to do is do some research before you buy and save yourself regret later....or a post on gunbroker.com. My .02.
I made the same mistake when I got my first AR a few years ago. I was shooting it at the range and noticed the stock a little wobbly. I applied a little force on the stock to see if it's cracked and saw the whole buffer tube shift. I figured it just wasn't tightened, especially considering there was no staking on it what so ever.
As I tightened the castle nut I noticed the threaded ring on the lower receiver split at the 12 o'clock position.
I went home all heated, broke down my rifle to further inspect it, and realized why the buffer tube was never properly secured. You need to take off the buffer tube to disassemble to rifle. It was designed to not use a buffer retaining pin, had a non-standard bolt carrier, non-standard buffer, and God knows what else.
http://i.imgur.com/FRaBOeM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OhmZhqV.jpg
I contacted Bushmaster about getting this fixed, or replaced with another Carbon15 lower receiver, and they linked me to their catalog and said that if I didn't like the Carbon15 I could always buy another rifle.
Really? A Bushmaster rifle cracked after a couple hundred rounds and they tell me to buy another rifle from them? I was pretty ****ing irate. The lower receiver was replaced with an ATI Omni polymer and is a dedicated .22lr plinker. I don't trust that thing with a full power round.
This is the crack after I tried to save the lower receiver with some JB Weld.
http://i.imgur.com/3sOMN.jpg
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