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    The correct name for Army and Marine Corps is Small Arms Repairman. However, often times those of us in the armorer field use the "armorer" moniker.

    There are plenty of guys at unit levels that are not MOS 2111 or MOS 45B and they are simply custodians who were thrown into the job.

    I worked closely with both branches in Iraq in the 05-06 time frame.

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    Competently, professionally, returning a functional product? Too many believe these guns are legos. Their work shows it.



    On the above, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "armorer" often an assigned extra duty or detail, and not a specific, trained skill set? I know of mil "armorers" in a different branch of service I would not allow to clean my gun, much less perform any measure of maintenance or assembly.



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    I am curious why you would say this? I don't know his guy from Adam, but I know plenty of civilian "gunsmiths" who I wouldn't let touch an airsoft weapon, let alone a real one.

    I met some Small Arms guys who knew their shit and others who were dangerous with a monkey wrench.

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    Would not let him touch it



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    In my experience, the guy in the arms room was broken, which is why he was in the arms room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I am curious why you would say this? I don't know his guy from Adam, but I know plenty of civilian "gunsmiths" who I wouldn't let touch an airsoft weapon, let alone a real one.

    I met some Small Arms guys who knew their shit and others who were dangerous with a monkey wrench.

    Because statistics is not on the OP's side. I wouldn't let either a civilian or military armorer touch my gun unless they were thoroughly vetted. I don't want it coming back with bent barrel nut teeth or other tool marks.
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    As someone who works both the military and commercial side the answer is easy - engage him in some rather in-depth conversation relating to the AR. His answers and stance on things should bring you to your conclusion.

    My first real training in the field of small arms repair was in 1997. I have been growing ever since and will until the day I die. As has been pointed out in this thread before not all small arms guys are the same. Some are an Armorer in title only.

    Certain things I won't touch, unless I own it or the only one I answer to is myself. Everything from Trapdoor Springfields to Lee Enfields to ARs are the same - if you know the platform and your limitations you really can't frig it up.

    You just need to figure out where this guy falls.

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    Obviously he doesn't feel he can do it himself and he may not have the tools. So what do you suggest?

    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Because statistics is not on the OP's side. I wouldn't let either a civilian or military armorer touch my gun unless they were thoroughly vetted. I don't want it coming back with bent barrel nut teeth or other tool marks.



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    USAF Combat Arms Training and Maintenance. The AF version of armorers, authorized to do up to and including depot level maintenance (welded a few 60 receivers in my day) for the last 20 years. We do nothing but repair small arms and run the firing range. I have met maybe 20 "armorers" in my career that were little more than parts replacement specialists. Just keep throwing new parts on it until it works is the basic mantra. When I first went through training back in 93, we were given guns with a specific broken or weak or missing part and had to diagnose, repair, and test that gun to pass. Now not so much. Do the repairs yourself. Then you will now it is done right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag View Post
    I taught my armorer many things...things he should have known.
    I guess I could throw my hat in this ring.
    I can't count the times that I had to work on rifles while at the range in Yuma AZ because our unit armorer had no idea what to do. He couldn't remove or reinstall an M5 RAS, torque an RCO, or even tighten a stock.
    That said, we did have one alternate armorer that was very good at swapping fire control groups.

    So its all up the the individual skills of the armorer, check before letting them touch your rifle.
    Make sure you post pictures of your rifle here when its done, Joe

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    Seems to me if he works on weapons that Marines train with he could work on yours. I'm sure those weapons in SOI see more abuse by boot Marines than a lot of personal weapons

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadb View Post
    Seems to me if he works on weapons that Marines train with he could work on yours. I'm sure those weapons in SOI see more abuse by boot Marines than a lot of personal weapons
    Highly depends on what "work" he is authorized to do. There are different echelons of maintenance, and different firearms have different authorizations.



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