Another OC vs LEO

[tb-av]

This one actually goes better than the Texas black powder arrest.

but still not exactly smooth sailing.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...es-the-police/

[Bubba FAL]

This is simple harassment. If a leo doesn't know that open carry is legal in Missouri, he should seek another line of work. Whoever called this in to the police in the first place should have immediately been informed that open carry is legal here.

[Mac5.56]

Hey guys,

Are you all aware that if this kind of approach towards gun rights continues that someone will eventually get shot by a responding officer?

In regards to the video:

When the hell did a U.S. passport become a questionable form of identification?

[Alaskapopo]

Open carry is stupid enough said.
Pat

[wake.joe]

Opinions are like Alaskapopos.

Everybody's got one.

[_Stormin_]

Open carry is stupid enough said.
Pat

Honestly, some of the stuff you say really makes me wonder about you... Please, regale us with a wonderful explanation of why the right to keep and bear arms in a public setting is stupid. I can not wait to hear the reasons you have behind this opinion.

[Alaskapopo]

Honestly, some of the stuff you say really makes me wonder about you... Please, regale us with a wonderful explanation of why the right to keep and bear arms in a public setting is stupid. I can not wait to hear the reasons you have behind this opinion.

It has been covered before and I am not the only one against it even on this forum.
1. It gives away your tactical advantage.

2. It scares the sheep.

Most open carry advocates don't carry openly for self defense they do so for attention and they hope for a confrontation like this with the police. Sooner or later its going to end badly. This is not the type of attention we need for the second amendment. Open carry types are their own worst enemy because they are not generating support for their cause but rather generating quite the opposite even among other gun owners.

Want to make a statement put a bumper sticker on your car. Want to be a responsible armed citizen carry concealed. Wonder about be all you want I really don't care.
Pat

[_Stormin_]

I don't care if others on the forum, in my city, or John Moses Browning himself happen to be against it. It's still my legal right to do so, and I do not care if other people aren't a fan of it. The only legitimate argument that I have heard denouncing open carry is the loss of tactical advantage, and that's easily countered with the potential for deterrence. Do you think that an armed guard in a bank loses "the drop" on the crooks, or serves to prevent the issue from coming up in the first place. The thread doesn't need to devolve into an OC debate because you won't be changing my mind any time soon and I know that I won't be changing yours.

The fact that there have been repeated reported instances of OC issues and ignorant LEOs. The problem is not people needing to change their law abiding behavior, but the people tasked with enforcing the law actually knowing what their doing. I understand that between state and municipal codes this is a huge task, but I also understand that I work in one of the most heavily regulated fields in the nation (finance) and ignorance of the law doesn't work as a defense for me. It shouldn't for them either. I screw up, I lose my licenses, get fired, fined, bared from working in the industry, or go to prison. You better believe that continuing education is a major part of my life. I can't see how the same should not be relevant in law enforcement. I know there are a ton of great LEOs out there. My mother was one of them. It just seems like a few bad apples seem to have the mindset that the law is whatever they feel it is at the moment. That sets dangerous precedent if your dealing with uninformed members of the public who don't know the exact law, and simply move forward with what they're told.

Case in point, a friend today "warned me" about a knife I had purchased with a 2.75" blade as being illegal for carry in Seattle. A policeman had told him the limit was 2.5" and he took it as gospel. I had to walk my buddy through the Municipal Code section on weapons and show him the section defining a dangerous knife (prohibited for carry) as one with a blade in excess of 3.5" fixed or folding. The man simply heard something and given the authority position of the person telling him, he accepted it as "the law" when it was clearly wrong.

[Alaskapopo]

I don't care if others on the forum, in my city, or John Moses Browning himself happen to be against it. It's still my legal right to do so, and I do not care if other people aren't a fan of it. The only legitimate argument that I have heard denouncing open carry is the loss of tactical advantage, and that's easily countered with the potential for deterrence. Do you think that an armed guard in a bank loses "the drop" on the crooks, or serves to prevent the issue from coming up in the first place. The thread doesn't need to devolve into an OC debate because you won't be changing my mind any time soon and I know that I won't be changing yours.

The fact that there have been repeated reported instances of OC issues and ignorant LEOs. The problem is not people needing to change their law abiding behavior, but the people tasked with enforcing the law actually knowing what their doing. I understand that between state and municipal codes this is a huge task, but I also understand that I work in one of the most heavily regulated fields in the nation (finance) and ignorance of the law doesn't work as a defense for me. It shouldn't for them either. I screw up, I lose my licenses, get fired, fined, bared from working in the industry, or go to prison. You better believe that continuing education is a major part of my life. I can't see how the same should not be relevant in law enforcement. I know there are a ton of great LEOs out there. My mother was one of them. It just seems like a few bad apples seem to have the mindset that the law is whatever they feel it is at the moment. That sets dangerous precedent if your dealing with uninformed members of the public who don't know the exact law, and simply move forward with what they're told.

Case in point, a friend today "warned me" about a knife I had purchased with a 2.75" blade as being illegal for carry in Seattle. A policeman had told him the limit was 2.5" and he took it as gospel. I had to walk my buddy through the Municipal Code section on weapons and show him the section defining a dangerous knife (prohibited for carry) as one with a blade in excess of 3.5" fixed or folding. The man simply heard something and given the authority position of the person telling him, he accepted it as "the law" when it was clearly wrong.

It is still stupid and most of the guys I see doing it are arrogant asses going around with slung rifles and video cameras looking for a confrontation. With that type of image its not going to be long before people start to want to repeal these types of laws. Also so what a cop got the knife law wrong by one inch. We make mistakes too. We obviously disagree and I don't feel like debating this tired topic.

Pat

[_Stormin_]

"We make mistakes too"

Most brilliant defense of a position ever. I believe my point soared over your head, or you simply chose to ignore it. Best of luck to you.