Another OC vs LEO

[Irish]

Plan to run for council or County commission. Either way I don't put up with bullshit and I curse, smoke cigars, and drink.

Bless your heart, I think I'm blushing

ETA - I hope you make it into office man! That would be great for the freedom loving citizens in your area.

[MountainRaven]

Open carry is stupid enough said.
Pat

Makes you wonder why cops and armed guards do it, doesn't it.

[jklaughrey]

Bless your heart, I think I'm blushing

ETA - I hope you make it into office man! That would be great for the freedom loving citizens in your area.

Blushing? Hey now DADT bro:-)

Yeah, we have a mixed bag politically currently. Mostly right leaning Democrats in office. They support gun rights but are bad for giving away tax dollars to useless window licking non hackers... Welfare, addicts, criminals!

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[THCDDM4]

So sad how many 2A "supporters" are against and talk down about open carry. Youa re speakin gout against your right to bear arms, you do realize this right? WTF?!?!?!?!?!

You either have the right or you do not. Period. Who gives a flying **** what the anti's think, they're trying to take away your rights either way.

We have already allowed our RIGHT to carry concealed be turned into a permission, not long before open carry will be a mere persmission as well; especially with some of your attitudes- being the supposed "pro" gun guys and all.

It's pathetic that people derride those who exercise their rights because someone might get their feewings huwt and be scawed of that person excersising their rights.

I've got some news for you- FREEDOM isn't ahappy lolli-pops and rainbows ideal, it doesn't make me magically safe or taken care of; it is dangerous and beautiful, but never has freedom been safe or all smiles and chocolate kisses.

If you all weren't so worried about how you are perceived by those who seek to take away your rights; and instead excersised them- maybe those rights wouldn't have been erroded to the point they are today.

Pat, you open carry as you perform your job duties, no? Is that stupid? Please extrapolate on why a citizen OC'ing is so "Stupid" but a citizen who is also an LEO is not. I really would like to know your logic here. Please.

Do you realize that A LOT of people feel the same about police carrying guns as they do anyone else? That they are scawed of it?
Should you conceal carry because of that as an LEO? I mean, come on, they are scawed and you should just bend to their will even though you have a right to do so- right?

Just yesterday I was out getting a frothy mug of ale with my wife at a local watering hole and overheard a group of idiot twenty-somethings discussing "Cops" and how they are "brutes" who hide behind their "Guns" and that is the only reason they have any authority. That they should be like the "Cops" in Britain and only have night sticks, afterall, most crime/criminals they deal with do not need a gun pointed at them; they don't need guns to effectively get their jobs done as "Cops"- "just look at England" they said.

You might find yourself on the wrong side of your own argument one day; then again you may agree that "cops" shouldn't open carry- because it is "Stupid" to open carry; I mean what reason would anyone have for the open carrying of a weapon right?

It is freaking rediculous on a pro 2A forum people will talk up concfealed carry; when it is a ****ing permission. But talk down open carry- which is still a right in MOST places. They are one and the same at heart, THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS! How some of you allow them to be separate ideals and have separate rules is beyond logic and quite frustrating.

Gun owners that worry about perceptions and change their actions due to the idiots who seek to disarm them and take away their rights are only screwing themselves over- and the rest of us gun owners.

Do you think the anti's care what the hell you think about them? Do you think they will change their opinions/goal of taking away your rights just becuase of your "Feelings"?

Some food for thought. In places like Denver where OC is illegal, and CC is by permission only, they have literally destroyed your right to bear arms. Do any of you really think stopping people from OC in other regions is going to help us gain any freedom or expand our rights?

It is hilarious and quite frustrating the logic behind the anti-OC crowd (Both non firearms enthusiast and firearms enthusiast)- "Don't OC because people might get scawed and try to take away your right to OC". IF you're not excersising your rights in the first place; it matters not anyway.

They will try to take away any and all gun rights they can to justify their biased ill-informed bullshit opinions anyways, regardless of if you OC or not. So go ahead and take your own rights away by not excersising them, I will continue to be a ****ing free man.

[warpigM-4]

I am not against it nor do i think it should be talked down . I just feel for me I would rather not let everyone know what I have and risk the chance of a LE not knowing the Law Hassle me .

if it works for you than do it I support any Law abiding Citizens right but some of us just don't do it .Like I said I feel I am losing the surprise element .and you Have to admit there are a bunch of jackasses that like to open carry looking like a Rambo want to be Bowed up and strutting around that hurts us all and does major damage for the sheep think all of us are that way

[THCDDM4]

I am not against it nor do i think it should be talked down . I just feel for me I would rather not let everyone know what I have and risk the chance of a LE not knowing the Law Hassle me .

if it works for you than do it I support any Law abiding Citizens right but some of us just don't do it .Like I said I feel I am losing the surprise element .and you Have to admit there are a bunch of jackasses that like to open carry looking like a Rambo want to be Bowed up and strutting around that hurts us all and does major damage for the sheep think all of us are that way

I understand. I totally agree it is up to each individual to decide how they carry their weapon. And it should be- it should also NOT be necessary to get "PERMISSION" to conceal carry. Period.

There will always be jackasses in every walk of life. I do not like those guys either, but as long as they aren't breaking any laws; they are free to be jackasses- no law against that yet.

The sheep will think the same of you regardless. They do not listen or respond to logic, it is all about feelings; and specifically THEIR feelings; no one elses.

To the antis we are all a bunch of elmer fudd, redneck, drooling, mouthbreathing, hicks and nuts. I cannot tell you how many times I have been told this by how many people. Regardless of how I present myself.

I couldn't care any less what the spineless rights-hating idiots of the world think of me or my fellow gun owners. Nothing we would do other than submit to their will and give up our rights will change this. Nothing.

How come every single group of people no matter how minor or deviant can literally SHOVE their crap into everyone elses faces and get away with it; but not gun owners? We have to walk on egg shells and hide ourselves away...

Maybe because we have ALLOWED it to get to this point by submitting and hiding instead of being proud and being ourselves regardless fo what others think?

Maybe collectively as gun owners we need to "come out of the closet" and have a "We're here we're armed to the teeth and we're proud of it" moment?

Worked for other groups...

[Jer]

Opinions are like Alaskapopos.

Everybody's got one.

Yes!

*Sits back and waits for him to derail another thread & receive no recourse*

[T2C]

The police chief handled this really well.

[THCDDM4]

Open carry is stupid enough said.
Pat

So in your view Pat:

1) If you want a constitutionally limited Government or are Libertaian; that equates to you wanting our country to be Somalia? (See AlaskaPopos sigline)

Seriously?

2) If you are upset with the blatant over reach of your Government; you are a right wing conspiracy theorist. (See AlaskaPopos sigline)

Seriously?

3) Unless you are an LEO; you are stupid for excersising your right to bear arms.

Seriously?

Great stuff Pat. Really good to see you aren't fomenting the US Vs. THEM mentality- oh wait...

I've given you every benefit of the doubt and remained very civil to date. But you are wearing me incredibly thin with statements like this one quoted above and your sigline that is an under the radar jab at every libertarian or right winger on this site that questions the government.

What's the deal man?

[J-Dub]

Well let me set the record straight. If it were up to me I WOULD LOOOOOVE to be in plain clothes carrying a concealed weapon and driving an unmarked vehicle.

Now I'm sure since you geniuses open carry all time (I mean you tout it as the mark of a true patriot so you must do it), I'm sure you train religiously for weapon retention correct? You know how to defend yourself and protect your weapon if someone were to grab it? You carry in a level II or III holster right?? You're always conscious about who your gun side is turned to and your distance proximity to others on that side, right?

If not, chances are pretty good that you'll be killed with your own weapon. It sucks, I know. That's why most Officers would suggest you conceal carry, and why most if not all do so while they're off duty.

I spend 4 days a week worrying about all that stuff I mentioned earlier, I'd rather not on my own time. Not to mention if I was a bad guy looking to shoot up a walmart and walked in and saw a dude open carrying, i'd probably kill him first.....just sayin.....

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