Another OC vs LEO

[THCDDM4]

I removed that from my sig line. I apologize that was pretty petty to put in my sig line.
Pat

Pat,
I appreciate it, that is a stand up move.

I know you get ganged up on here a lot- thank you for continuing to post your opinions/beliefs, although we disagree about 95% of the time on most subjects; I truly apprecaite it and really like discussing these things with you.

I always gain a better perspective on these issues from your posts and enjoy debating with you.

Take care,
Tom

[THCDDM4]

I know right???? In fact after thinking about it, I'm going to start suggesting that people open carry. 1. its just too ****ing cool not to 2. everyone looks like a badass when they have a drop leg holster 3. natural selection will take over from there.


I get it. I'm stupid. Carry on...literally, just make sure to do it in a kydex level I placed in the small of your back......no reason, just do it.

Never said you were stupid, never called you a pig. I do not think those things either.

For the record, I CC 99% of the time and OC the other 1% when it makes more sense or I HAVE to do so given the circumstances.

I am fine with others open or concealed carrying (As long as it is in the safest manner possible) and find it abhorrent that concealed carry has been allowed to become a mere permission.

Not sure where the anger, sarcasm & animosity directed towards me/my posts is coming from J-Dub; I'm just debating the issue of open carry, and how it isn't the "Dumbest" or most evil thing one can do. It is a basic right, one we shouldn't deride eachother for excersising.

Take care,
Tom

[boggyboy72]

I'll share how I deal with folks that open carry........I smile, wave, and keep driving. However when jellyfish-joe schmo gets scared out of his panties because "that man is wearing a gun!!!! (gasp)" I have to contact them (since you know joe schmo pays my salary and all, and he'll probably bitch to the chief or an lt if I don't. I know its crazy that I don't dream of hassling open carriers right???). Then it goes something like this "Hey hows it going, Im Officer blah blah, with blah blah police dept. During our interaction i'd ask that you don't make any sudden movements toward your firearm please, thanks. Im sorry to bother you, but some jellyfish...I mean folks are alarmed that you are carrying. Are you a felon? Do you have any bad intentions today? Nope? Awesome, have a good day.

What would help just as much or more than LE knowing the OC laws would be the folks answering the phone at 911 knowing the laws.

911 operator-911 what is your Emergency?

Caller- THERE'S A MAN WITH A GUN IN WAL- MART!!!

911-OK,sir calm down.What is this man doing?

Caller-HE'S BUYING BREAD AND MILK!!!!

911- That's not illegal in this state,Sir.If He fires the gun call back.

While I understand what the OCs are doing and agree on a certain level, I'll keep mine under my shirt.

[Caduceus]

Hey guys,

Are you all aware that if this kind of approach towards gun rights continues that someone will eventually get shot by a responding officer?

In regards to the video:

When the hell did a U.S. passport become a questionable form of identification?

Not to fan the flames, but when is a responding officer going to be shot? I mean, some people are a little off, and if "trampling my rights" sets off the law-abiding citizen ...

There are plenty of stories of SWAT busting in the wrong house, right? Some day the wrong officer is going to be in the way of a guy thinking it's a home robbery. Same idea here.

[jklaughrey]

Not to fan the flames, but when is a responding officer going to be shot? I mean, some people are a little off, and if "trampling my rights" sets off the law-abiding citizen ...

There are plenty of stories of SWAT busting in the wrong house, right? Some day the wrong officer is going to be in the way of a guy thinking it's a home robbery. Same idea here.

Strange as it may seem. But city PD where I live call first before coming on my property. Of course they think all of us at the SO are crazy gun toting rednecks.

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[glocktogo]

Strange as it may seem. But city PD where I live call first before coming on my property. Of course they think all of us at the SO are crazy gun toting rednecks.

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You think that's bad? The local FBI agents are jealous of MY arsenal!

[tb-av]

You think that's bad? The local FBI agents are jealous of MY arsenal!

At least something in this world is as it should be!

[jklaughrey]

At least something in this world is as it should be!

Agreed. And everyone should have their property ranged and marked appropriately to repel invaders.

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[warpigM-4]

I understand. I totally agree it is up to each individual to decide how they carry their weapon. And it should be- it should also NOT be necessary to get "PERMISSION" to conceal carry. Period.

There will always be jackasses in every walk of life. I do not like those guys either, but as long as they aren't breaking any laws; they are free to be jackasses- no law against that yet.

The sheep will think the same of you regardless. They do not listen or respond to logic, it is all about feelings; and specifically THEIR feelings; no one elses.

To the antis we are all a bunch of elmer fudd, redneck, drooling, mouthbreathing, hicks and nuts. I cannot tell you how many times I have been told this by how many people. Regardless of how I present myself.

I couldn't care any less what the spineless rights-hating idiots of the world think of me or my fellow gun owners. Nothing we would do other than submit to their will and give up our rights will change this. Nothing.

How come every single group of people no matter how minor or deviant can literally SHOVE their crap into everyone elses faces and get away with it; but not gun owners? We have to walk on egg shells and hide ourselves away...

Maybe because we have ALLOWED it to get to this point by submitting and hiding instead of being proud and being ourselves regardless fo what others think?

Maybe collectively as gun owners we need to "come out of the closet" and have a "We're here we're armed to the teeth and we're proud of it" moment?

Worked for other groups...

This is a excellent post .with the fighting between each other on this and that ,we need to figure a way to Push forward as a group of One .
what is the saying " united we stand ,divide we fall "

I have talked to many Hunters with the old "you don't need a AR!" mindset and after some butting heads they see now that is just the start their weapons would be next .

With More and More States allowing open carry ,one would think the Police should be versed on the new laws .At least I would if I was a Officer I have seen many youtube videos show LE know the Laws and all ends well in a OC situation .

[Bubba FAL]

Ok so your next to perfect at work. Congrats. Also I doubt anyone would have been arrested based on the knife law you quoted as we tend to check the statutes before making arrests. Its when people ask you questions in casual conversation that mistakes can happen. The one you mentioned is so very slight as not to be even considered. 1 freaking inch come one really? Yes its a job with a lot of responsibility and relatively low pay. That said your not always going to get perfect answers from street level cops on every law on the books.
Pat

We're not talking about some obscure technicality here! The fact that open carry is legal here in Missouri should be basic and common knowledge for anyone wearing a badge in this state. What part of this is unclear to you? I see guns on belts all over town, it doesn't seem to bother most people.