Charlotte Police Officer Arrested in Shooting Death

[Sensei]

Or possibly an adrenaline dump from the car crash.

Or bath salts, cocaine, meth, alcohol...

I'm betting that his tox results will not be clean. For what it's worth, I take care my share of head injuries; maybe one or two per shift. For the most part, people who are concussed tend to be slow and confused. The agitated delirium types almost always have some substance on board in addition to their head injury.

So the big question that I have is: goes a positive drug screen change things in terms of the legality of the shooting?

[wahoo95]

Saw a blerp on this, the way it plays out will be interesting.

I suspect that the civil rights industry will make it a point to drag the home owner who called 911 though the mud, after all why should a woman home alone at night not open up her door to an unknown huge guy banging on the door?! He played football so I'm gonna ass-u-me he was a big guy. I don't care if his face was on fire my wife knows not to answer the door for ANYONE, if we know a person they have our cells.

Getting back to the man killed, he played football so he was big and could move. If they officers told him to stop and he didn't and ran at them I could see how they would take that as a threat. Tazer didn't work on top of that. So, why did the big guy not stop and comply with officers so he could ID himself and explain to them why he was there and that people needed help in a nearby auto accident?

I'd probably just move if someone ran at me...course I'm a big guy myself and can move pretty well. I'm curios to know what the other two officers version ofvtge story was. I'm sure there is more info that hasn't been released yet so it makes it hard to armchair QB this one.

The officer in question is a little guy for those curious.....little as in 5'8"ish 170lbs

[NCPatrolAR]

So the big question that I have is: goes a positive drug screen change things in terms of the legality of the shooting?

99.99999% it doesnt change a thing

[J-Dub]

Shoot the guy = murderer, Put hands on the guy = goon


Its a lose/lose situation. I say let the guy run off and just clean up the wreck and move on. Break out the red blanket, yell toro (of course while dangling it in front of the guy), step out of the way and let him continue down the street.....

But for heavens sake, do not wait for an investigation to be concluded. Jump to conclusions....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRxqY4wuTHw

[Moose-Knuckle]

Possible traumatic brain injury from the car accident.

Could be, but I'm with the doc on the possible excited delirium from narcotics.

I'd probably just move if someone ran at me...course I'm a big guy myself and can move pretty well. I'm curios to know what the other two officers version ofvtge story was. I'm sure there is more info that hasn't been released yet so it makes it hard to armchair QB this one.

The officer in question is a little guy for those curious.....little as in 5'8"ish 170lbs

Yup too soon to MMQB. The other officer accounts will be crucial. I may have missed this but who attempted to taze the guy, was it the officer who shot and killed him or was it one of the other officers at the scene?

[NCPatrolAR]

Yup too soon to MMQB. The other officer accounts will be crucial. I may have missed this but who attempted to taze the guy, was it the officer who shot and killed him or was it one of the other officers at the scene?

one of the other officers

[Moose-Knuckle]

one of the other officers

Gotcha, I figured that was the case. And when the suspect kept coming at them the one officer shot him after the tazer had no effect.

This one will be interesting to watch unfold . . .

[Gutshot John]

For what it's worth, I take care my share of head injuries; maybe one or two per shift. For the most part, people who are concussed tend to be slow and confused. The agitated delirium types almost always have some substance on board in addition to their head injury.

I'm going to call BS. You have no way of knowing until the results come back.

Likewise there are numerous studies that point to traumatic brain injury and significant aggression/inability to control emotions being a possible symptom. It's called postconcussive disorder, it's been known for some time and I've seen it more than once.

Likewise there is no standard response when dealing with a decreased LOC. Irrational aggression will happen with substances, it will also happen with various diabetic conditions.

Even if there was some substance involved, it doesn't change whether the officer acted appropriately or inappropriately.

Severe TBI is generally defined as brain injury resulting in loss of consciousness (LOC) for greater than six hours and a Glascow Coma Scale (GCS) score of three to eight. Documented behavioral effects of severe TBI include more disruptive behavior in general, new onset conduct disorder in particular (Gerring JP et al, Brain Inj 2009;23(12):944–955), and increases in aggressive behavior Cole WR et al, Brain Inj 2008;22(12):932–939).

http://www.carlatbehavioralhealth.co...disorders-free

The google search yielded pages of similar results.

[Sensei]

I'm going to call BS. You have no way of knowing until the results come back.

Likewise there are numerous studies that point to traumatic brain injury and significant aggression/inability to control emotions being a possible symptom. It's called postconcussive disorder, it's been known for some time and I've seen it more than once.

Likewise there is no standard response when dealing with a decreased LOC. Irrational aggression will happen with substances, it will also happen with various diabetic conditions.

Even if there was some substance involved, it doesn't change whether the officer acted appropriately or inappropriately.



http://www.carlatbehavioralhealth.co...disorders-free

The google search yielded pages of similar results.

You missed the part where I said that "I'm betting" which means that it is not certain or definitive - in other words it is a guess based on a bunch of experience and the epidemiology of single car MVC at 2 AM. A significant number of these accidents involve intoxicated drivers because that is when the bars close. Also, the article that you referenced is focusing on long-term behavior changes - not the immediate effects of a concussion. Again MOST sober people who have immediately sustained a mild - moderate head injury (GCS 9-15) are not violent, aggressive, or running - they are confused and disoriented. Drunks who have sustained a concussion are often a different story.

[Honu]

sorry then thought you were being serious for a moment

Thank you. You are correct.



Pat, I new someday this would happen. After almost 4 years, I finally agree with you on something. It kinda makes me feel dirty. LOL