H.R. 3155 Racketeer Weapons and Violent Crime Control Act...

[SteyrAUG]

Bumped because people continue to post nonsense and have no idea what they are talking about.

[Firefly]

I can't and won't bash Reagan for doing what he did as it was for, and I hate this phrase, 'the greater good'.

I can and will however besmirch and show contempt for our government as a whole that willfully ignores "Shall not be infringed" out of a self serving fear of another 1776 or 1861.

Everytime I hear "common sense" gun legislation I can only reply common sense term limits and how an 18 year old kid can get kicked out of a plane to die on a rock that nobody but his platoon members will know about or remember but a bunch of charlatans and liars get to exempt themselves and vote for their own pay raises.

So Ronald Reagan (Peace Be Upon Him) did what he could but I hope thete is a hell and everyone who BSed their waybthrough with a voice vote rots in the deepest pits of darkest, coldest Godless Hell

[SteyrAUG]

I can't and won't bash Reagan for doing what he did as it was for, and I hate this phrase, 'the greater good'.

I can and will however besmirch and show contempt for our government as a whole that willfully ignores "Shall not be infringed" out of a self serving fear of another 1776 or 1861.

Everytime I hear "common sense" gun legislation I can only reply common sense term limits and how an 18 year old kid can get kicked out of a plane to die on a rock that nobody but his platoon members will know about or remember but a bunch of charlatans and liars get to exempt themselves and vote for their own pay raises.

So Ronald Reagan (Peace Be Upon Him) did what he could but I hope thete is a hell and everyone who BSed their waybthrough with a voice vote rots in the deepest pits of darkest, coldest Godless Hell

I don't think many will disagree with that assessment.

I'm just providing the whole picture that many of the "Reagan banned machine guns" crowd seem to be completely ignorant of. As is usually the situation with good people, he had to make a choice between two shitty options. If there was a better third option I'm sure he would have taken it.

The reality is we should have never gotten the 1968 gun control act in the first place. And that one contained the first machine gun ban, of course most people have no clue about that. The "sporter clause" within the 1968 GCA is what allowed for all of this nonsense, including the amendment to ban domestic machine guns.

I wish everyone who wrote "it's Reagan's fault" on the internet would invest that time and effort into removing the "sporter clause" from the 68 GCA. If we could unite and accomplish that single goal, the basis for every ban including the 1968 ban on imports, 1986 ban on domestic machine guns and the 1989 import ban would be removed and all of those restrictions would either be instantly nullified or vulnerable to legal challenge.

Sadly, despite the internet, too few gun owners understand this.

[7.62NATO]

The sporter clause has to go, for good. It is bound to come back and do more harm to 2A; just look at the recent M855 ban attempt.

[Bubba FAL]

I don't think many will disagree with that assessment.

I'm just providing the whole picture that many of the "Reagan banned machine guns" crowd seem to be completely ignorant of. As is usually the situation with good people, he had to make a choice between two shitty options. If there was a better third option I'm sure he would have taken it.

The reality is we should have never gotten the 1968 gun control act in the first place. And that one contained the first machine gun ban, of course most people have no clue about that. The "sporter clause" within the 1968 GCA is what allowed for all of this nonsense, including the amendment to ban domestic machine guns.

I wish everyone who wrote "it's Reagan's fault" on the internet would invest that time and effort into removing the "sporter clause" from the 68 GCA. If we could unite and accomplish that single goal, the basis for every ban including the 1968 ban on imports, 1986 ban on domestic machine guns and the 1989 import ban would be removed and all of those restrictions would either be instantly nullified or vulnerable to legal challenge.

Sadly, despite the internet, too few gun owners understand this.

I'll go you one better Steyr, we never should have had NFA 34 foisted upon us. It was this law that started all the tax and registry nonsense in the first place.

[Clint]

I'll go you one better Steyr, we never should have had NFA 34 foisted upon us. It was this law that started all the tax and registry nonsense in the first place.

Of course.

He's just peeling back the onion, one layer at a time.

[titsonritz]

The reality is we should have never gotten the 1968 gun control act in the first place. And that one contained the first machine gun ban, of course most people have no clue about that. The "sporter clause" within the 1968 GCA is what allowed for all of this nonsense, including the amendment to ban domestic machine guns.

I wish everyone who wrote "it's Reagan's fault" on the internet would invest that time and effort into removing the "sporter clause" from the 68 GCA. If we could unite and accomplish that single goal, the basis for every ban including the 1968 ban on imports, 1986 ban on domestic machine guns and the 1989 import ban would be removed and all of those restrictions would either be instantly nullified or vulnerable to legal challenge.

Sadly, despite the internet, too few gun owners understand this.

Oh yeah, the "sporter clause" is a huge deal. It has played a part in just about every anti-gun legislation since its inception from bans or attempted bans on semi-auto pistols & rifles, standard capacity mags, "Saturday Night Specials", bayonet lugs, 855 ammo, you name it. All hinging on how "sporting" is interpreted by the ATF. This is a bad, bad deal for the 2A and its supporters and must be eliminated.

In a nut shell:

"Our fundamental constitutional freedoms are not secure as long as federal law gives government bureaucrats unlimited power to apply the subjective term 'sporting purpose' to ban the products law-abiding Americans use to exercise their Second Amendment right"
---Chris W. Cox

[Moose-Knuckle]

I'll go you one better Steyr, we never should have had NFA 34 foisted upon us. It was this law that started all the tax and registry nonsense in the first place.

Cause and effect . . . the National Firearms Act of 1934 was a direct result of the National Prohibition Act (aka the Volstead Act) of 1919.

[SteyrAUG]

I'll go you one better Steyr, we never should have had NFA 34 foisted upon us. It was this law that started all the tax and registry nonsense in the first place.

In a perfect world, it would all be gone and my grandfather would have bought his Thompson back in the 1930s when he had enough money to buy a car or the gun he wanted and decided to get the gun and keep driving the family delivery vehicle. This was right AFTER they passed the law, needless to say he never got his Thompson.

But of all the laws, I can live with the NFA the most. It's a tax, not a ban. Granted it functioned as an economic ban, but I could live with it, especially if we could remove the "sporter clause" and open up the NFA registry.

But if I had my magic wand, suppressors would be a "non regulated" accessory no different than a flash hider or muzzle brake. Short barreled rifles and shotguns would simply be a length option. And machine guns would be no different than any other Title I firearm except for the rate with which they consume ammo.

It's all just crap from the Bonnie and Clyde era and I'd like to point out those dipshits were zapped by guys with BARs. The North Hollywood bank robbery and shootings are a perfect example that criminals can't be regulated despite the fact that we passed laws in 1934, 1968 and 1986 with the legislative belief that they could prevent exactly that kind of "Dillinger" style hard taking of banks.

[SteyrAUG]

Cause and effect . . . the National Firearms Act of 1934 was a direct result of the National Prohibition Act (aka the Volstead Act) of 1919.

Actually it had more to do with Prohibition being repealed in December 5, 1933. Couldn't have all those unemployed Treasury agents during the depression. But never fear, FDR signed the NFA into law June 26, 1934 giving them something new to regulate.

At least handguns weren't successfully included in the NFA, because they were originally intended to be. Can you imagine this country with no 1911s, Colt revolvers or bring back Lugers through most of the 20th century?