H.R. 3155 Racketeer Weapons and Violent Crime Control Act...

[HKGuns]

Bumped again for all the youngsters

[AnthonyCumia]

Actually it had more to do with Prohibition being repealed in December 5, 1933. Couldn't have all those unemployed Treasury agents during the depression. But never fear, FDR signed the NFA into law June 26, 1934 giving them something new to regulate.

At least handguns weren't successfully included in the NFA, because they were originally intended to be. Can you imagine this country with no 1911s, Colt revolvers or bring back Lugers through most of the 20th century?

I guess it would be cheaper to pay them to do nothing.

[Firefly]

Unemployed Federal Agents wouldn't hurt my feelings much.

Some are groovy guys but most have a bit of a complex.
I got a funny story I can't really share but suffice it to say I had a dude tell me with a straight face "If these [cigs and beer and by extension guns] weren't taxed we wouldn't have a safe country. We're leveling the playing field"

Me, being the cheeky thing that I am, said "Who said we needed one?"

[AnthonyCumia]

Unemployed Federal Agents wouldn't hurt my feelings much.

Some are groovy guys but most have a bit of a complex.
I got a funny story I can't really share but suffice it to say I had a dude tell me with a straight face "If these [cigs and beer and by extension guns] weren't taxed we wouldn't have a safe country. We're leveling the playing field"

Me, being the cheeky thing that I am, said "Who said we needed one?"

Hell pay them to not do anything and shut down the ATF.

Saves us money, lives and Liberty.

[AnthonyCumia]

Unemployed Federal Agents wouldn't hurt my feelings much.

Some are groovy guys but most have a bit of a complex.
I got a funny story I can't really share but suffice it to say I had a dude tell me with a straight face "If these [cigs and beer and by extension guns] weren't taxed we wouldn't have a safe country. We're leveling the playing field"

Me, being the cheeky thing that I am, said "Who said we needed one?"

Hell pay them to not do anything and shut down the ATF.

Saves us money, lives and Liberty.

[SteyrAUG]

Bumped because I'm still explaining this to people.

[MegademiC]

I see history of the left playing agressive offense and taking ground and the right playing defense and losing ground, and it continues 32 years later.

Why are we justifying it by “this is what we were up against”?

Why are the leftists not facing elimination of the sporter clause?
Why are they not facing repeal of the hughes amendment?
Where is the opposing force to the 94 awb?
Where is the proposed bill for OTC DD and FA?

Is the NRA too weak or do they not want to push for freedom?

[Diamondback]

I see history of the left playing agressive offense and taking ground and the right playing defense and losing ground, and it continues 32 years later.

Why are we justifying it by “this is what we were up against”?

Why are the leftists not facing elimination of the sporter clause?
Why are they not facing repeal of the hughes amendment?
Where is the opposing force to the 94 awb?
Where is the proposed bill for OTC DD and FA?

Is the NRA too weak or do they not want to push for freedom?

The Fudds can't wrap their minds around the idea that the best defense is a counter-offense so hard it puts your boot firmly on the aggressor's throat.

[SteyrAUG]

I see history of the left playing agressive offense and taking ground and the right playing defense and losing ground, and it continues 32 years later.

Why are we justifying it by “this is what we were up against”?

Why are the leftists not facing elimination of the sporter clause?
Why are they not facing repeal of the hughes amendment?
Where is the opposing force to the 94 awb?
Where is the proposed bill for OTC DD and FA?

Is the NRA too weak or do they not want to push for freedom?

I can answer some of that. In 1986 we did push back. The FOPA of 86 was the first time elements of the 1968 Gun Control Act were eliminated and it had been attempted pretty much every year since 1968. In 1986 we finally had a President who was willing to sign.

Amazingly, he was criticized for it. So who do we imagine would have signed an "improved FOPA"? Bush 41 who gave us the Import Ban of 89? Clinton who have us the domestic ban of 94? Bush 43 who added Chinese imports to the 89 Ban and stated he would sign a reauthoriztion of the Clinton Ban? Obama?

Fact of the matter is Reagan understood that this was coming no matter what. If he didn't pass FOPA with the Hughes Amendment, the Hughes Amendment in some form (probably worse) would have simply been added to the 89 Import Ban or the 94 Domestic Ban and that would be that EXCEPT we wouldn't have any of the protections of FOPA, just another ban.

They wanted to take it all, if Hughes got his way NOBODY today would own a machine gun or a suppressor and the registries for both would have been closed for decades now. This also means decades of new shooters having no experience with NFA weapons and thinking those are for "military only" which means most of you wouldn't have a Colt 6920 today assuming it would even be legal.

Sadly 1986 was also the LAST year we amended parts of the 1968 Gun Control Act. How many second amendment supporters even realize that was the FIRST machine gun ban, in 68 all foreign NFA items were made NON transferable. This is why NOBODY has a transferable factory MP5, they all began life as a semi auto HK 94 that was domestically converted and registered.

Also it seems the NRA isn't ready to take on the "sporter clause" and I don't think any other groups like GOA have the muscle to even dream about such a task. The last really significant win was Heller and that had nothing to do with the NRA except of course their original efforts to undermine it. But of course they mention all the time now like they did it instead of the Cato Institute.

So why is a virtually unknown libertarian advocacy group giving us our last significant win instead of the NRA? Probably for the same reason the NRA had Harry Reid as an NRA A Rated candidate for YEARS until it was time for him to change his tune and try and shove the Sandy Hook Ban second attempt through Congress when everyone thought it was over and done with.

Hell we couldn't even get the HPA through successfully and people dream of getting rid of the Hughes Amendment?

What it would take is for at least 50% if the NRA membership to actually understand these things and actually know about what happened, why and how. Unfortunately all anyone seems to remember about 1986 is the Reagan Machine Gun Ban.

And if you really want to see people look at you like a martian, mention that in 2004 a Republican majority Congress under a Republican president successfully passed the reauthorization of the Clinton Assault Weapon ban as an amendment to a industry protection bill put forth by Larry Craig and the only reason it didn't happen is because Craig then killed his own bill.

So for all of those who enjoyed the sunset and the buying spree that followed, you can thank ONE GUY and he's the same guy who trolled airport mens rooms for encounters. Because every other ****ing Republican supported the renewal of the ban in numbers large enough to pass it.

To go on the offensive we'd need to get rid of the Ryans, McConnells, Kasichs and the rest of the useless clowns in the GOP.

[Diamondback]

To go on the offensive we'd need to get rid of the Ryans, McConnells, Kasichs and the rest of the useless clowns in the GOP.

I was just saying over on a consservative-activist Slack chat, DC and the GOP in particular need a purge that would make Stalin barf his borscht.