What is cheap? What would the price be of the Benelli shotgun plus the 922r parts? The 930 doesn't have to deal with any 922r and the Molot VEPR 12 is made 922r compliant for $80-$100Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag
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What is cheap? What would the price be of the Benelli shotgun plus the 922r parts? The 930 doesn't have to deal with any 922r and the Molot VEPR 12 is made 922r compliant for $80-$100
Last edited by ezveedub; 10-13-13 at 12:54.
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Kel Tec has never been a company that's synonymous with quality or reliability in my experience, so until that thing shows itself to posses both qualities, it's a range toy to me. I'll be interested to hear your ongoing experiences with it. Keep us posted.
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handled the Benelli M-4 and it is a fine shotgun but being that it is a shotgun built for use and not a collectible, I cant get myself to drop around 2k for one set up like I want. Not until my 930 SPX craps out and from what I have seen, that is going to be a very long time.
That said though, yep sold the Keltec shotguns I had. I did not feel like learning a whole new weapons system, especially one that is suspect in durability like the KSG.
Last edited by quaesitor logica; 10-13-13 at 14:09.
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Thank you for the time to post the review.
I saw a guy at the local range a little while back having a hard time with reliability.
I have had hands-on, personal experience with three Kel-Tec products.
A Sub2000 for glock 9mm mags, that has been very reliably. It is not what I would call a durable item though. If you have it running reliable, it will hold up to an occasional trip to the range and to protect the house or shop, but I do not think it would last a week in a PCC course, let alone a year in deployed conditions.
A Sub2000 for beretta 96 magazines. This magazine well is not as well fitting as the glock one and is sloppy. (because it can be adapted for other types of magazines) My cross bolt safety would get stuck in the fire position and required pin point manipulation of the detent to get it back on safe. (kel tec addressed this rapidly)
It was getting rounds jammed and damaged instead of feeding- also addressed by kel tec.
A PLR-16. I wanted an AR mag PDW that did not have a buffer tube. It is reliable, but same durability concerns as the Sub2000s. I would recommend getting an actual AR pistol with a piston type system if you are in the market for an AR mag pistol with no buffer tube.
There are a lot of little things- like cheesy sights that have no repeatable adjustments, weak holding of the sight settings, sights that do not line up with most mounts, rails, optics, etc.
They have some great concepts, like very small and thin highly concealable 9mm pistols, 30 round 22mag SA pistol, etc. In terms of reliability, QC, and durability, I would say Kel-Tec is where Stoner and the military were like 50 years ago with the AR.
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I have seen frame cracks in several Kel tec 9mm pistols. They had to be returned and replaced. That was a long time ago. Maybe that issue has been addressed, but as you mention, their products are clearly not intended for high rnds counts.
I don't know at what rnd counts the cracks in the frames took place as they were not my guns, but it was not very high rnd count I know that.
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I disagree, there are very few times, if any, when you're better off with a Mossberg. (The Company that shamelessly brought you the "Chainsaw" shotgun.)You're better off with a Mossberg 930 SPX.
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I have a Ksg and it's my first keltec. It's reliable as long as you WORK the action and don't mess around. I think the 14 shots in a package short enough to point down the stairs and around the corner has a lot going for it. Can I reload my 870 faster? sure but I need to do it more often and an extended mag takes away the advantages offered by the bull pup. All the people who have shot it have wanted one. I'm keeping mine rather than selling it for a stupid price.
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Me too, even though it appears I could profit from doing so.......
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The Benelli M4 needs to have 3 parts replaced to become 922r Compliant, 4 if using the C Stock. If you put an 8 round tube on it you have just replaced one of the required parts. Now, replace:
Disconnecter $35:
http://freedomfightertactical.com/pr...-disconnector/
Follower $25:
http://freedomfightertactical.com/pr...ant-followers/
And/or the following...
Handguards $60:
http://freedomfightertactical.com/pr...liant-forends/
Hammer:
http://freedomfightertactical.com/pr...pliant-hammer/
See, its not that hard to do it. The day I trust a Mossberg Semi Auto anything over the Benelli ARGO system is the day I CCW a Lorcin and put a Taurus in my duty holster.
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You mean a combo of those 3 parts PLUS the $160-$240 for a full mag tube and the $1500-$1800 for the Benelli M4.
You basically only need the trigger parts kit for $150 and the full mag tube for $160 plus the price of the M4. But that's still not a cheap setup and will be a deal breaker for most just to get a semi-auto shotgun 922r legal with added capacity. And no firearm is bullet proof 100% reliable, as Benelli M4s have had various reported function issues just every other shotgun out there.
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