Is Ted Cruz Helping Or Hurting Our Cause?

[ABNAK]

That's correct, which is why they would need Republicans to delay it.

In doing so they will look reasonable, even though we all know that no matter how long you delay it you won't ever be able to fix it.

No matter how long you delay lunch you can't fix a soup sandwich.

I say let the Democrats try...and boy will they look stupid but they won't be able to blame it on Republicans.

So if the implementation dates are written into the law, see to it that it is enacted on time. It will help us in the mid-terms next November.

You said it can't be fixed, so why the endless delay? Until and unless a new president and Congress re-writes it or cancels it it's here to stay (unfortunately). Don't allow the Dems to delay it so the pain isn't felt until after they get reelected. No, you wanted this for Amerika, you got it. Now do it and reap what you sow.

F*** looking "reasonable". The Dems never do. Back to that "fight them like they fight" theory. "Reasonable" is what has gotten the Republicans where they are now: weak, spineless, treading water trying to survive. Swing back damnit!

[Belmont31R]

Well with that we can agree to disagree. Not so much because I fear a temporary shutdown, as actually I don't care if that happens at all.

You see the democrats have built and enabled a bomb in their back yard. Ted Cruz says he wants to keep it from blowing up, even though when it does it will kill only the enemy and his credibility while weakening them substantially.

However if you believe that the ACA will sustain itself successfully without intervention that is a different argument, but it clearly appears to be doomed.

Everyone is going to be impacted by Obamacare. I don't see how letting it ruin us is worth saying 'I told you so!' To the Democrats then expecting a complete Republican take over.

[thopkins22]

Everyone is going to be impacted by Obamacare. I don't see how letting it ruin us is worth saying 'I told you so!' To the Democrats then expecting a complete Republican take over.

Bingo.

Maybe we should have let them pass the new AWB this year too...we'd really have them on the ropes then!

[RogerinTPA]

The Republican Party is weak not because of men like Cruz, Lee, and Paul.
It is weak because they lack the testicular fortitude to stand against the Liberals.
Too long the Liberals have controlled dialogue, controlled language.
The Republicans fear the left.
So the GOP has been moving further to the left.
McCain and Romney are both Statists.
The GOP is the cause of its own demise.

Agreed.

I applaud Cruz for addressing not only the failures of the Dems, but of the Republicans, and the legislative process as a whole. He's reminding them, in their face, that they aren't listening to the people and not being accountable. Maybe it will snap some of them out of their coma. As far as hurting the Republican party, I say no. It's division is cause by weak leadership, a lack of focus and vision. Have the guts to stand for what you believe or go home.

[Safetyhit]

Everyone is going to be impacted by Obamacare. I don't see how letting it ruin us is worth saying 'I told you so!' To the Democrats then expecting a complete Republican take over.

Can you define what you mean by "ruin us" specifically? Keep in mind it seems we are both talking about it imploding eventually, so what sort of ruin will occur in the interim?

[Belmont31R]

Can you define what you mean by "ruin us" specifically? Keep in mind it seems we are both talking about it imploding eventually, so what sort of ruin will occur in the interim?

People losing their insurance, people laid off or under employed, massive increase in medical costs, people getting hooked on the subsidies.


If Republicans are too scared to pull the rug out from under it now they will be far less likely to pull the rug when those 45 million people are getting subsidized insurance even if it ****s everyone else over.

Say they do take back control...the most they will do is a modest reform but the core of the law will remain.

[Safetyhit]

People losing their insurance, people laid off or under employed, massive increase in medical costs...

This is already happening and I doubt you don't well know it. That's the reason why it is destined to fail, subsidies or not.

And subsidies for the young who don't care about going to the doctor anyway will have a hard time competing with the countless individuals frustrated while waiting in line for treatments they need now.

It will be so bad an overhaul will happen, as the memory of free market healthcare will still be fresh in the minds of millions of voters.

[Belmont31R]

This is already happening and I doubt you don't well know it. That's the reason why it is destined to fail, subsidies or not.

And subsidies for the young who don't care about going to the doctor anyway will have a hard time competing with the countless individuals frustrated while waiting in line for treatments they need now.

It will be so bad an overhaul will happen, as the memory of free market healthcare will still be fresh in the minds of millions of voters.

More faith then I, and willing to sit by while all that happens seems ridiculous just for a gotcha moment the Republicans likely won't win anyways.

The Democrats had this planned out. They all know it's a failure. I doubt Republicans will return us to a free market system.

[ABNAK]

Everyone is going to be impacted by Obamacare. I don't see how letting it ruin us is worth saying 'I told you so!' To the Democrats then expecting a complete Republican take over.

I don't want to be misunderstood for what I replied to Gutshot John. My reason for seeing it implemented as written (the timeline) is I see it this way: if it is delayed, it won't be delayed indefinitely until a new POTUS and Congress undoes it. Obama will go balls to the wall to implement it right after any gains he makes in the 2014 midterms. Then he hopefully, from his perspective, gets a Democrat Congress for his last two years to wreak havoc (guns anyone?). After that he can't be reelected anyway and I'm sure he really doesn't give a damn about Dem Congress critters after their usefulness to him has expired. It's either gonna be implemented now or when it's politically expedient and advantageous to the Dems. Don't play that game!

I don't want to see it wreck our economy, but it is law. It's on the books unfortunately. It will NOT be delayed forever. Only until Dem political gains (if any) are made next year. I just don't think we should allow them to let it play out to their advantage.

If the ACA sucks as bad as everyone knows it will, and knowing eternal delay isn't realistic, it's better to reap whatever electoral gains we can to neuter Obama for his last two years. THEN perhaps we can undo it with a Republican POTUS and Congress (*maybe*). Other than that it's here to stay.

Unfotunately I think the writing is on the wall. Cruz is like Don Quiote fighting windmills but by damned I support him 100%!

[Pork Chop]

More faith then I, and willing to sit by while all that happens seems ridiculous just for a gotcha moment the Republicans likely won't win anyways.

The Democrats had this planned out. They all know it's a failure. I doubt Republicans will return us to a free market system.

Holy shit, this!

We have one hope of retaining a still somewhat free market healthcare system. Once ACA crushes it (and alot of us with it) the "overhaul" you think is coming after will be nothing more than political posturing to capture power after the finger pointing. It won't be a reset. It won't be improved. It'll be tweaked just enough to relieve the pain long enough for an election cycle.

How the hell can everyone NOT see that? The GOP WON'T fix it later. They won't get rid of it. They'll twist it around to benefit the party, not the country.

Thank god for people like Cruz who will at least row upstream against both sides. Maybe his ambition IS to be President. Is that so bad? A guy who gave the good ole boy network the middle finger?