Is Ted Cruz Helping Or Hurting Our Cause?

[Safetyhit]

The Democrats had this planned out. They all know it's a failure.

See when this sort of thing comes into play you lose me. Not enough money in the world to sell me on this.

Guess we'll just have to see how it plays out, simple bystanders that we are.

[thopkins22]

Everyone thought that Social Security would be a short lived program too, they knew that if left unchecked it would become unsustainable. How did that work out a century later?

If this isn't stopped now, it's not going away until we get single payer. I'll make a $100 bet on that right now with the first person to step up.

As it is right now, you should all buy stock in insurance companies, since this law is one giant welfare check to them. Written and lobbied for by insurance companies...but I guarantee you it's being viewed as a stepping stone by D's.

[Belmont31R]

See when this sort of thing comes into play you lose me. Not enough money in the world to sell me on this.

Guess we'll just have to see how it plays out, simple bystanders that we are.

They have said Obamacare is basically the vehicle to single payer.

http://youtu.be/Kvg8qVKZYuM

http://youtu.be/SXgSKwYMnWo

[scottryan]

See when this sort of thing comes into play you lose me. Not enough money in the world to sell me on this.

Guess we'll just have to see how it plays out, simple bystanders that we are.

The fact that you don't know this is troubling. The hood rat has admitted this is the vehicle to single payer. This was all part if the plan. Go watch the videos of it on YouTube.

[Renegade]

He is clearly helping by exposing the hypocrisy of the Establishment RINOs.

Nothing Cruz did this week will change the results, but Americans now have a clearer picture of who is for/against ObamaCare.

[Safetyhit]

The fact that you don't know this is troubling. The hood rat has admitted this is the vehicle to single payer. This was all part if the plan. Go watch the videos of it on YouTube.

I'm well aware of the fact that from day one they wanted a single pay system and settled for what is now in place. But to believe that such a disastrous implementation of a more "diluted" version was considered as part of the plan, in other words a failed endeavor would enable more failure, is extremely questionable at best.

They did not plan on hearing of big companies publicly complain while reducing hours and staff. They did not anticipate the unions publicly turning on them. They thought it would work and eventually lead to even better, not infuriate and dissuade the masses.

[Doc Safari]

If you want to be realllly technical, the USA is a Federated Constitutional Republic.

If you want to REALLY be accurate the US has been an oligarchy for about the last ten years: controlled by a Congress and President that no longer fear the wrath of the electorate.

As for not opposing this and just letting it fail? I wonder where we'd be right now if George Washington et al had just said, "The British government has to go broke sooner or later. We don't need to do anything right now. Sooner or later it will fail and we will get our way."

[Belmont31R]

I'm well aware of the fact that from day one they wanted a single pay system and settled for what is now in place. But to believe that such a disastrous implementation of a more "diluted" version was considered as part of the plan, in other words a failed endeavor would enable more failure, is extremely questionable at best.

They did not plan on hearing of big companies publicly complain while reducing hours and staff. They did not anticipate the unions publicly turning on them. They thought it would work and eventually lead to even better, not infuriate and dissuade the masses.

It's in their own words Obamacare is the stepping stone to single payer. Can't force you to believe it, but when it happens don't say you weren't warned.

The reaction has no bearing on their intentions prior to passing it.

[Safetyhit]

As for not opposing this and just letting it fail? I wonder where we'd be right now if George Washington et al had just said, "The British government has to go broke sooner or later. We don't need to do anything right now. Sooner or later it will fail and we will get our way."

If there were true imminent signs that the British empire was about to collapse then the the revolution may well have been planned around that particular, relevant eventuality. In fact why wouldn't or shouldn't it have been?

[Doc Safari]

If there were true imminent signs that the British empire was about to collapse then the the revolution may well have been planned around that particular, relevant eventuality. In fact why wouldn't or shouldn't it have been?

That's not what I meant. I meant "what would have happened if the Founding Fathers had decided to do nothing until the British Empire was too weak to try to hold onto the colonies?"

In other words, we may be waiting a long, long time for Obamacare to go away just because it doesn't work.