Primary Arms 1-6 scope

[mastiffhound]

Interesting. Thanks!

I also forgot to note that my 18.5" barreled Mini is severely over gassed, as are 99.9% of them. People have cut down the 18.5" barrel all the way to 14.5" and still had no function issues. I can't use PMC brass in it as it rips the rims off, must be the alloy they use or something. Shooting xm855 or xm193 almost feels like shooting my old AK, but the brass stays together. The recoil with steel crap feels a little closer to the recoil of my 16" BCM carbine length. The recoil/buffer/whatever Ruger calls it spring they use is a small diameter spring that is alot like an AK spring only much stronger. I use it now as a back up to a backup to a back up. AR and AK mags are just much cheaper, costing 1/2 or 1/3 of what Mini OE mags cost.

I did shoot the .243 today after work and got some good groups just under and just over 1" using the 4-14x PA scope. I'm still pretty impressed with the PA scope and it should hold up. MAC did a budget build with one on a .308 so .243 should be fine considering the recoil is much less. Sorry for the derail, we now return to your regular program.

[Shiz]

Really considering this. Been looking at the MTAC and the Nikon too. (1-4)

[mastiffhound]

Really considering this. Been looking at the MTAC and the Nikon too. (1-4)

What will you be using it for? Plinking? Hunting? HD? With 1-4s you have a lot of options.

I liked my 1-6, if it didn't die on my Mini-14 I'd still have it. Primary Arms was great (as I think I stated before) and even offered me my money back. I took store credit and got their 4-14FFP Mil-Dot for my Savage .243 and it has worked well through 300 rds so far. It's a bolt gun and not really something I shoot often so I can't say much about durability.

Another option is the Leupold 1.5-4x20 Mark AR Mod 1 Firedot. I have one and like it a lot. It spent time on my PSA 20" for a couple years banging around in a truck and side by side without a problem. I moved it to my BCM 16" Carbine and it's been there ever since. For an illuminated scope it's very light listed at 9.6 oz. I don't know of any with illumination that are lighter.

A buddy from work has a Leupold VX 1 HOG 1-4x20 and it looks to be the same scope as mine but without illumination and has the Pig Plex reticle. It's decent but it is not a true 1-4, maybe 1.5 on the bottom end. It is however lower priced, he said his was $209 on sale. Some people don't like the reticle but I do. The thicker outer lines on the reticle kind of funnel your eye to the crosshair in a circle. His has held up getting dropped and bumped on hikes and it's damn light, 8.6 oz I think. Again, it might be the lightest optic in the 1-4 magnification range.

A ton of guys like the MTAC and the Nikons, both are suggested on a regular basis as entry 1-4s. The comparable Nikon and Burris are heavier than either of the Leupolds I mentioned, 14 and 17 oz respectively. The MTAC is a 30mm tube though, it's in line with other 30mm 1-4s weight wise. I went with Leupolds because I carry my rifles while hunting or hiking so I wanted lighter scopes and they are about as light as you can get. They've been durable so far and they have a lifetime warranty. People that have had to deal with Leupold's customer service haven't had many complaints that I've seen either.

Another scope recommended on a regular basis are the SWFA branded scopes but they are $100 or more than most everything I mentioned. They do get rave reviews though. As long as you don't go too cheap you should be fine. Warranty, weight, cost, clarity, light gathering, durability, and some others I forget at the moment are all considerations depending on what you plan to do with it.

[Shiz]

Thank you for the info! I would be going on my BCM KMR (elw) so I would still want it to be capable of HD, but would like a little more distance capability if I need it. Not really a hunter.

[MBtech]

Thank you for the info! I would be going on my BCM KMR (elw) so I would still want it to be capable of HD, but would like a little more distance capability if I need it. Not really a hunter.

PA goes months at a time without having the darn thing in stock and for sale, so I got tired of waiting and
just received a Leatherwood Hi-Lux CMR 1-4x and I'm happy as hell with it in the $300 price range. The reticle is way more uncluttered is great on 1x with the circle dot and has ranging capability.

I was very interested in the PA 1-6 for my first hand pick for a budget optic, but geez if you never have it in stock for sale, take it off the website until you do. That's why I shopped elsewhere.

all I've seen is ETA early this month late next month... then in stock for a day or two then gone... what's up with all that?

[marsh1]

PA goes months at a time without having the darn thing in stock and for sale, so I got tired of waiting and
just received a Leatherwood Hi-Lux CMR 1-4x and I'm happy as hell with it in the $300 price range. The reticle is way more uncluttered is great on 1x with the circle dot and has ranging capability.

I was very interested in the PA 1-6 for my first hand pick for a budget optic, but geez if you never have it in stock for sale, take it off the website until you do. That's why I shopped elsewhere.

all I've seen is ETA early this month late next month... then in stock for a day or two then gone... what's up with all that?

Whats up is they are that popular. We price it right and this factory makes a quality scope. We take the production capacity we can from them instead of going to a lesser factory. We also now have dealers that pre order. When we run out we will direct people to dealers that have them. The reticle in not cluttered in use it is world class. We received our second and more comprehensive patent on it a few weeks back. That said I get not waiting when you need a optic now. No one wishes we could get more than me.

[MBtech]

Whats up is they are that popular. We price it right and this factory makes a quality scope. We take the production capacity we can from them instead of going to a lesser factory. We also now have dealers that pre order. When we run out we will direct people to dealers that have them. The reticle in not cluttered in use it is world class. We received our second and more comprehensive patent on it a few weeks back. That said I get not waiting when you need a optic now. No one wishes we could get more than me.

Understood and agree completely. I'd still like to try one but needed an affordable optic Now, PA was my first pick. Seems I'm always a day late on the 1-6 PA.

[Shiz]

Marsh1, I am sure impressed you take the time to answer concerns and are polite and patient. You helped decide on my next optic as I read.

[cbx]

I received a gen 2 1-6 this week. Hopefully I'll get to run it this afternoon. The reticle seems like a winner glassing my cows off the back door. The ranging side seems very fast too.

Glass quality is on par with other optics in it's price range, maybe slightly better. 1x does carry some distortion.

Illumination is much better than I expected. It snowed today do it'll be a good day to see how it actually shoots.

I was surprised at the weight, I never paid attention to that spec, but it weighs like my vxr, I'm surprised it's not a 2lb optic like most illuminated budget optics are.

Home on the range report to follow.

[MBtech]

Whats up is they are that popular. We price it right and this factory makes a quality scope. We take the production capacity we can from them instead of going to a lesser factory. We also now have dealers that pre order. When we run out we will direct people to dealers that have them. The reticle in not cluttered in use it is world class. We received our second and more comprehensive patent on it a few weeks back. That said I get not waiting when you need a optic now. No one wishes we could get more than me.

Back in stock, snagging one this time.