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Thread: 2014: Year of the Chinese AR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoringGuy45 View Post
    I disagree. If we're assuming that the most common AR owner is a highly dedicated shooter who takes classes and trains regularly, has an almost encyclopedic knowledge of ever part of the gun down to the amount of atoms in each detent, and is always willing to spend just a little more to get the best stuff available, then there's no way these guns would crack the market. But the truth is, the vast, vast majority of gun owners buy cheap and cheap only because their guns are only going to be on the range for about a 100 round session and then cleaned and back in the safe. Generally speaking, rifles like Bushmaster, DPMS, Olympic, etc, do just fine for this application and can usually take much abuse than even that. As a result, they appear reliable enough and thus the consensus among the lay-gun owner is that with Colt, LMT, Daniel Defense, etc, you're just paying for a name.

    In the store where I work, we mostly have mid to higher end ARs (Colt, BCM, DD, an occasional Noveske if we can get one) but we also have quite a few Bushmasters, Stags, and Windham Arms. Even though the Colt LE6920 is only $100 more than the Bushmaster, guess which one sells every time, even though we try and steer people to the better brand? 9 times out of 10, the first question from potential AR buyers is, word for word, "What's the cheapest AR you have?" After I show them a Stag, Bushy, DPMS, or whatever, the next question is, "Are you sure you don't have anything cheaper?" Not many people are looking for rifles to take to a class or even home defense. They want a range toy or safe queen. If these Chinese ARs fall into the "anything cheaper" category, they'll sell like hotcakes.
    ^ This.. this is probably one of the more honest statements in this entire thread. As LAV stated, there literal hordes of mouth-breathers who would buy Chinese AR's in a second, and would be convinced it's as good as a Colt, BCM, DD, etc.. Recently, I had a friend who, I talked to for over a hour on the phone, about the differences in quality in AR's. Had him talked into buying a Colt Socom, or so I thought. What's he end up buying? A ****ing Mossberg...Why? Because the Mossberg came with some sort of cheapo rail, and looked like the Colt, and it was $8-900...Despite everything I told him, including giving him places to look up on the 'net and educate himself, He went with price first, quality second.. And sadly, there shitloads of people in this country who would do the same in a instant, simply because they are too goddamn lazy to do some research on what makes a good rifle, or pistol, and operate soley on price point, and what the guy at the gun shop told them. If Chinese AR's show up here in the U.S. at about a $6-700 or less price point, they WILL sell like hotcakes.. I figure they'll be given a warm welcome at TOS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROG Tactical View Post
    Yup...I have been getting daily email solicitations...they go straight to the trash. Makes you wonder where all these new companies with tons of BCGs were getting BCG parts from, during the panic. Stick with reputable manufacturers and dealers!




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    I recently found out that "Made in America" can also just mean that the company bagged the individual parts into "Kit" form such as a LPK basing the "Made in America" claim that the "kit only" was made in the USA. Its a lose play of words which does have some truth to it but it does not mean that the individual parts are American made.

    And since retailers do not list the manufacturers of the hammers, triggers, pins, disconnecter or springs then how does one really know were the parts were produced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PA PATRIOT View Post
    I recently found out that "Made in America" can also just mean that the company bagged the individual parts into "Kit" form such as a LPK basing the "Made in America" claim that the "kit only" was made in the USA. Its a lose play of words which does have some truth to it but it does not mean that the individual parts are American made.

    And since retailers do not list the manufacturers of the hammers, triggers, pins, disconnecter or springs then how does one really know were the parts were produced.
    this was my point earlier and I agree with you.

    What matters in this situation is that you buy those parts i.e. LPK's from well-known and reputable manufacters like Colt, DD, etc. That will ensure that it passes a certain level of quality (QC) regardless of where its made. In essense, a roll pin is a roll pin as long as its made of the correct materials. It doesn't matter if they were made in China or USA. But to guarantee reliability, quality, and functionality it should be backed by a reputable company.

    Most people don't know that DPMS and Bushmaster isn't a good company, but you'll see plenty of noobs (new and uninitiated AR15) owners with them.
    I was at the range last week and a group of guys was shooting what looked to me like a carbon/polymer lower. Turned out it was a Bushy Carbon15! They were still impressed by its quality by its quality and accuracy. I really wanted to say that they had a crap AR, but didn't want to bust their bubble and start and arguement

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph View Post
    ^ This.. this is probably one of the more honest statements in this entire thread. As LAV stated, there literal hordes of mouth-breathers who would buy Chinese AR's in a second, and would be convinced it's as good as a Colt, BCM, DD, etc.. Recently, I had a friend who, I talked to for over a hour on the phone, about the differences in quality in AR's. Had him talked into buying a Colt Socom, or so I thought. What's he end up buying? A ****ing Mossberg...Why? Because the Mossberg came with some sort of cheapo rail, and looked like the Colt, and it was $8-900...Despite everything I told him, including giving him places to look up on the 'net and educate himself, He went with price first, quality second.. And sadly, there shitloads of people in this country who would do the same in a instant, simply because they are too goddamn lazy to do some research on what makes a good rifle, or pistol, and operate soley on price point, and what the guy at the gun shop told them. If Chinese AR's show up here in the U.S. at about a $6-700 or less price point, they WILL sell like hotcakes.. I figure they'll be given a warm welcome at TOS.
    You only need to venture, and not too far from this forum to see this is all truth.

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    The exsistence of OLYMPIC ARMS is proof that retards willl buy the cheapest crap they can. If the Chinos come with ARs, at least it'll kill Oly's niche.
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    "Ray-Rar Frifteen" does have a nice ring to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tog View Post
    Back in the 80's folks liked the SKS and AK's coming out of China. They were good rifles. Then the M14 and 1911 knockoffs started coming out of China and many shooters liked them better than the Springfield Armory rifles and handguns. A Chinese produced M4 might be a good rifle too.
    Considering that Springfield armory is really just a shadow of its former self anyway, not really that surprising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I wonder how ITAR will impact this? I find it hard to believe that the BATFE or this administration is going to allow Chinese made stuff to enter the market here.
    Thank you for that. I had already thrown up in my mouth a little after the first post.

    I just don't think the Chinese can make a quality AR or even quality AR parts. I just don't think their manufacturing practices are capable of it. I've had problems with more than one Chinese firearm that was improperly assembled or had improperly hardened (too soft) components.

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    I bought some Norinco 9mm ammo back in the early 90s because it was cheap and used brass cases. Seemed to be loaded on par with 9mm NATO, always went bang, and was reasonably accurate for ball ammo. The down side was that the brass case seemed thinner than US-made brass, so I didn't attempt to reload it - my employer at the time issued practice ammo but required one to turn in a box of fired brass. I found a good use for the once-fired brass... A shooting buddy at the time bought one of the M14 clones. The price was half of an M1A, but it didn't seem to be as "substantial" as a Springfield M1A or US M14. I don't know how well they worked, but I wasn't impressed enough to buy one. Sadly, there is enough of a market for cheap guns by those who would otherwise know better who would buy a Chinese-made AR15 if the price was right. The Chinese have us beat in manufacturing costs. While I don't see it taking business away from reputable companies, it will, like another poster said, hurt the US companies cranking out low cost stuff.

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