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Thread: 2014: Year of the Chinese AR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tog View Post
    Back in the 80's folks liked the SKS and AK's coming out of China. They were good rifles. Then the M14 and 1911 knockoffs started coming out of China and many shooters liked them better than the Springfield Armory rifles and handguns. A Chinese produced M4 might be a good rifle too.
    Chinese M14's were notoriious for soft metal and improper dimensions. Try installing a genuine M14 component in a Polytech M14S and see if it fits. My favorite gunsmith of the era just started cussing when the subject was broached.

    True, the Norinco 1911's were, in fact, beloved by some people, but in that firearm too, the cautionary tale was that you might get one with a slide that was way too soft in the metal-hardening department and if you went to have the slide dovetailed or something you found out yours was made of mush.

    Chinese SKS bolts had a reputation for cracking.

    I've owned more than one Chinese AK that had a receiver rivet that would loosen after a few thousand rounds, or a front sight drum that wouldn't stay tight, etc.

    Chinese made firearms are junk. Crap. Feces. And that's being generous.

    I hope it's illegal for the Chinese to make M4 parts.

    All we need is for soft Chinese M4 parts to find their way into top-tier LPK's or BCG's or something and it's game over for avoiding junk.

    Just look at the way Chinese counterfeits of other items have been confused with the real thing, and you can be very afraid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Glockster View Post
    Chinese M14's were notoriious for soft metal and improper dimensions. Try installing a genuine M14 component in a Polytech M14S and see if it fits. My favorite gunsmith of the era just started cussing when the subject was broached.

    True, the Norinco 1911's were, in fact, beloved by some people, but in that firearm too, the cautionary tale was that you might get one with a slide that was way too soft in the metal-hardening department and if you went to have the slide dovetailed or something you found out yours was made of mush.

    Chinese SKS bolts had a reputation for cracking.

    I've owned more than one Chinese AK that had a receiver rivet that would loosen after a few thousand rounds, or a front sight drum that wouldn't stay tight, etc.

    Chinese made firearms are junk. Crap. Feces. And that's being generous.

    I hope it's illegal for the Chinese to make M4 parts.

    All we need is for soft Chinese M4 parts to find their way into top-tier LPK's or BCG's or something and it's game over for avoiding junk.

    Just look at the way Chinese counterfeits of other items have been confused with the real thing, and you can be very afraid.
    So you're comparing a Chinese-made AR to a weapon that they made and was imported to the U.S. over 20-25 years ago? Hate to break it to you, but China has changed *A LOT* since then. China had only been industrializing for about a decade when those M14s were made. Now, they have access to the exact same technologies that the best firearm manufacturers in the world have access to.

    If you for a minute believe that the Chinese are not capable of building a very high-quality product, perhaps even more high quality than what we can produce, then you need to get your head checked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    So you're comparing a Chinese-made AR to a weapon that they made and was imported to the U.S. over 20-25 years ago? Hate to break it to you, but China has changed *A LOT* since then. China had only been industrializing for about a decade when those M14s were made. Now, they have access to the exact same technologies that the best firearm manufacturers in the world have access to.

    If you for a minute believe that the Chinese are not capable of building a very high-quality product, perhaps even more high quality than what we can produce, then you need to get your head checked out.
    I just need proof. And it better be really convincing proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    So you're comparing a Chinese-made AR to a weapon that they made and was imported to the U.S. over 20-25 years ago? Hate to break it to you, but China has changed *A LOT* since then. China had only been industrializing for about a decade when those M14s were made. Now, they have access to the exact same technologies that the best firearm manufacturers in the world have access to.

    If you for a minute believe that the Chinese are not capable of building a very high-quality product, perhaps even more high quality than what we can produce, then you need to get your head checked out.
    I would bet almost everyone on this forum is using a Apple or Samsung computer, cell phone, or tablet that are is made in China. My uncle made his money by doing production and manufacturing in China, and quite frankly he says that for much less cost he can get every bit as good of product there as if it was made in domestically. Do we like that its like that? Hell no, but that's how it is now days.
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    No way will I ever buy a weapon made in China. Infact, I do not knowingly own any firearm related parts or accessories made in China.
    I see funding our enemies by buying their goods as unwise. I avoid Chinese manufacturing at all costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Glockster View Post
    I just need proof. And it better be really convincing proof.
    Proof of what?

    The simple fact of the matter is that the Chinese have tremendous capabilities available to them now as compared to what they had in 1990.

    I have no interest in a Chinese-made firearm, but they have the capability to make one on par with the best made in the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    Proof of what?
    Proof they know how to harden metal, follow blueprints, manufacture to ISO standards or equivalent....little things like that.

    Maybe they have changed. Japan went from manufacturing cheap crap to high quality goods.

    But if I'm going to believe China has done that, then I want to see the evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Glockster View Post
    Proof they know how to harden metal, follow blueprints, manufacture to ISO standards or equivalent....little things like that.

    Maybe they have changed. Japan went from manufacturing cheap crap to high quality goods.

    But if I'm going to believe China has done that, then I want to see the evidence.
    Have you been sleeping under a rock or something?

    The Chinese build jet engines and microprocessors, both of which require far more advanced machining, materials technology, and quality control than anything that goes into an AR-15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    Have you been sleeping under a rock or something?

    The Chinese build jet engines and microprocessors, both of which require far more advanced machining, materials technology, and quality control than anything that goes into an AR-15.
    Yes the Chinese can build some pretty good stuff when they want to, but will they want to put a serious effort in on their AR's. They have known how to make food for quite awhile, but somehow poisonous food keeps slipping out. Consistency seems to be a big problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    Have you been sleeping under a rock or something?

    The Chinese build jet engines and microprocessors, both of which require far more advanced machining, materials technology, and quality control than anything that goes into an AR-15.
    Just give me some evidence this so-called advanced manufacturing has extended to their firearms industry, and I'll believe you.

    BTW, I'm not singling out China. I remain unconvinced that any Communist or formerly Communist country is up to Western standards in its manufacturing and/or quality control.

    As a way of illustrating, I won't own a Romanian AK, either, because of bad experiences.

    YOU do whatever you want. But I will not own a Chinese firearm EVER AGAIN unless someone can show me honest, convincing hard data that convinces me they don't still manufacture junk.

    And I'm done talking about it.

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