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Thread: 2014: Year of the Chinese AR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by masakari View Post
    No way will I ever buy a weapon made in China. Infact, I do not knowingly own any firearm related parts or accessories made in China.
    I see funding our enemies by buying their goods as unwise. I avoid Chinese manufacturing at all costs.
    Do you wear clothes? Never-mind.. I don't want to know. GH

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    I will gag on a bag of dicks before I buy a Chinese-made AR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Glockster View Post
    I can also claim that I've been to the moon. It means nothing.

    Tell you what....we'll make this simple, and we'll invite other members to watch.

    When you get your Chinese M4 built and ready to go, I"ll happily go through a Larry Vickers-type course with you. Head to head I'll pit my BCM against your Chinese M4 and we'll see which one is still working after a grueling tactical carbine class.

    Fair enough?

    I don't see how this argument will be settled with the keyboard.
    I hope your BCM wins... My goddamned keyboard is made in China wireless logitech its pretty good.

    I don't see how Chinese AR's will be avoided. Our Government literally pays our American companies to offshore labor. You couple that with lack of any type of regulation over there regarding health or environment and it is only a matter of time, the know how to manufacture AR's is in China already, all that is needed is a few legal obstacles to be leveled and a large enough market to be indentified.

    Every part of our industrial base has been ravaged by Chinese slave labor sold to American corporations. WTO was the the beginning of the end. The Chinese even have their own state bank operating in the U.S, they own oil in the ground in Texas. China is the only country in the world that can buy U.S treasuries direct from the U.S treasury. Now that Chinese labor is starting to become too expensive to call slave labor look at the Trans-Pacific Partnership.... a whole new and ultra cheap source of slave labor!! I wonder who will be exploiting that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    I've already stated (twice) that I have no in a Chinese made firearm.

    That being said, yes, if you take a copy of the TDP to one of thousands of Chinese companies, they can build a firearm that will rival any American company that is building an AR to the same TDP.
    Exactly, but it will be just as expensive if not more than a Colt if it was built with quality and quality assurance in mind. This is what most people don't understand, alot choose cheap Chinese crap because its cheap and can have a huge profit due to markup, but China can make good things and they could make a good AR-15 but I doubt anyone would do that due to the fact that they wouldn't be saving themselves any money by getting quality to spec chinese parts.
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    **** it
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    Exactly, but it will be just as expensive if not more than a Colt if it was built with quality and quality assurance in mind. This is what most people don't understand, alot choose cheap Chinese crap because its cheap and can have a huge profit due to markup, but China can make good things and they could make a good AR-15 but I doubt anyone would do that due to the fact that they wouldn't be saving themselves any money by getting quality to spec chinese parts.
    Correct. And after shipping is figured in, it will probably be more expensive unless they somehow reduce labor costs (unlikely). However, for individual parts produced en masse, they can probably undercut American companies, but just barely.

    That's actually one aspect of the Chinese economy that has been relatively ignored over here. Now that they are, for all ends and means, industrialized, it is becoming more and more difficult to make easy profits as they continue to improve quality and adopt more advanced manufacturing processes. Also, a lot of these processes require workers with certain skills that are less than prolific in China, so these workers are able to compete companies against each other for better pay, which is causing labor costs to spike in many parts of manufacturing. The Chinese are also getting tired of the development propaganda coming from the government and are demanding that the government take measures to reduce pollution, which is causing another shift in manufacturing processes, again contributing to increased prices of production.

    These factors are slowing Chinese economic growth while also creating a cultural rift between older and younger generations, making China a less appealing economic environment for many foreign companies. This is why you're seeing a lot of manufacturing either come back to America or at least the Western Hemisphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    Exactly, but it will be just as expensive if not more than a Colt if it was built with quality and quality assurance in mind. This is what most people don't understand, alot choose cheap Chinese crap because its cheap and can have a huge profit due to markup, but China can make good things and they could make a good AR-15 but I doubt anyone would do that due to the fact that they wouldn't be saving themselves any money by getting quality to spec chinese parts.
    Ipads get built in China to very exacting standards, thats just one example of many. It would cost APPLE almost twice as much to make IPADS here in the U.S, thats just considering labor, doesnt factor in OSHA, environmental regs, Taxes, etc. China has CNC galore now and all kinds of metal makers/ recyclers. All that is stopping Chinese quality AR's from flooding the market is lobbying to get certain laws and regulations dismissed. May be that the AR market is too volatile and dependent on political strife for the chinese to wave enough money around to change legislation.

    If the Chinese can open up state run banks in the U.S and get direct access to the the U.S treasury to buy bonds , both unprecedented acts . Why would something as piddling as the AR/weapons industry be immune to them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    Correct. And after shipping is figured in, it will probably be more expensive unless they somehow reduce labor costs (unlikely). However, for individual parts produced en masse, they can probably undercut American companies, but just barely.

    That's actually one aspect of the Chinese economy that has been relatively ignored over here. Now that they are, for all ends and means, industrialized, it is becoming more and more difficult to make easy profits as they continue to improve quality and adopt more advanced manufacturing processes. Also, a lot of these processes require workers with certain skills that are less than prolific in China, so these workers are able to compete companies against each other for better pay, which is causing labor costs to spike in many parts of manufacturing. The Chinese are also getting tired of the development propaganda coming from the government and are demanding that the government take measures to reduce pollution, which is causing another shift in manufacturing processes, again contributing to increased prices of production.

    These factors are slowing Chinese economic growth while also creating a cultural rift between older and younger generations, making China a less appealing economic environment for many foreign companies. This is why you're seeing a lot of manufacturing either come back to America or at least the Western Hemisphere.
    Read up on the Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement thats the answer to this dilemma

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    My question is can chinese firearms even be imported to the US?

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    Apparently not directly, but it sounds like they manufacture a certain % of parts per gun and/or certain parts to a certain percentage of completion.

    Regardless, we make plenty of crappy products here in the US. On numerous occasions I've had to return "Made with pride in the USofA" products to Home Depot or wherever due to shoddy workmanship.

    Underestimate the Chinese at your own peril. We fell into the same trap with the Japanese automobile industry in the late 70's and I see many of the same arguments being used in this thread.

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