Range Rover runs over biker> bikers retaliate> Rover runs over bikers> bikers attack

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

Hmmm, not knowing what happened to make him run over 20 dudes who may not have wanted to assault him makes me unsure about this. However, you can be sure that if homeboy smashes my window with his helmet, then homeboy gets perforated. Disparity of numbers, aggression levels, body language, etc all came into play and were a part of why this driver freaked out. Some got what was coming to them, unfortunately I believe some were innocent and will easily win a suit in civil court.

[munch520]

unfortunately I believe some were innocent and will easily win a suit in civil court.

Any civil defense against those that were part of the mob? IE, if one of the dudes that got ran over was part of the group and stopped in front of the RR - is he guilty by association? Even if he didn't get off his bike?

[TAZ]

HMMMM bikers acting like idiots. This is my shocked face.

Seems to me the guy who got initially bumped into caused the situation by needlessly slowing in front of the rover. Whether to egg the guy on or to let his friend with the helmet cam catch up or what. By the sounds of all the honking and crap there is more to this than just the snippet we are shown. Don't know the traffic laws in NYC, but most likely the rover will be held liable for the initial contact. Either failure to control speed to distance, however they choose to word it. After that it's going to be a toss up. Once the idiot crew started to swarm his car and threaten him he has every right to flee a life threatening situation. The second time they caught up to him and the dude smashes his window he has every right to kill the fellow doing the smashing. However, this is in NYC so he may end up spending the rest of his life in jail for daring to defend himself.

[Wake27]

Why am I not surprised this happened in NYC? This would make a great case for having an AR handy in the vehicle. Of course, 1 on 100 is never great odds, and it probably couldn't have turned out a whole lot better since no one was killed or seriously injured, but if bullets did start flying, that loan driver is going to need a ton of firepower to help level the playing field.

[CrazyFingers]

The video appears to show the biker in blue jeans deliberately cutting in front of the SUV, then deliberately braking, causing the initial contact.
LEOs: is this not some kind of violation?

The crowd of bikers then appears to surround the SUV driver, which would make any reasonable man with his wife and child in his car assume that drastic actions were necessary to protect his family.

The bikers then continue to follow the SUV aggressively, surrounding him and again, making any reasonable man fear that he was about to be assaulted again, which is exactly what happened.

The bikers should be damned glad they were in NYC. If they tried that here in the midwest, I imagine the entire situation could have ended after the initial contact with several bikers in the ER (or morgue) with gunshot wounds, and the SUV driver successfully arguing Stand Your Ground/self defense.

And people ask "oh dearie me, why would anyone need an assault rifle with a high capacity magazine?"
Well, because sometimes our civilized society is not all that civilized.

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

Any civil defense against those that were part of the mob? IE, if one of the dudes that got ran over was part of the group and stopped in front of the RR - is he guilty by association? Even if he didn't get off his bike?

I really don't know. I can imagine that if one of my buddies got ran over and I didn't know what happened, I would stop as well to see what was going on and, to take care of him, and to make sure the driver doesn't drive off. So as far as the first situation is concerned I do not know what happened but I am sure that there were quite a few weekend riders that probably were not aggressors or actors in the assault. Thats why I think they could be awarded in a civil suit. But, they should not have stopped in the road, and had they not been stopped they would not have been run over when the driver had to flee for his life. So maybe its a toss up.

I'm gonna go throw another magazine in the wife's car. I will say this though, many of our local bikers are carrying and would have fired pretty quickly in this situation. La Salle, CO has one of the largest Hells Angels clubhouses, and the Sons of Silence are located about 25-30 miles away in Niwot. And me, well I live right in the middle.

[Dano5326]

A swarm of bikes surrounds a vehicle.. loud and revving engines, driving close on all sides, creating sensory pressure/overload for the driver. I imagine the poor urbanite was swamped trying to view all sides of his vehicle, at once, to try to avoid contact.
-A moto-driver purposefully stops in-front of a heavy SUV for no road hazard or other reason, initiating contact with another vehicle
-crowd swarms driver
-quite obvious the SUV driver showed enormous restraint in using his vehicle, tried to drive away for several miles, a couple times, w/o purposefully harming others (had it been purposeful there would be a pile o bodies, as it stands now the SUV driver is the only reported injury)
-any of the riders who took part in the mob "chase" corralling the driver, escalating the situation, should be charged

[Wake27]

The video appears to show the biker in blue jeans deliberately cutting in front of the SUV, then deliberately braking, causing the initial contact.
LEOs: is this not some kind of violation?

The crowd of bikers then appears to surround the SUV driver, which would make any reasonable man with his wife and child in his car assume that drastic actions were necessary to protect his family.

The bikers then continue to follow the SUV aggressively, surrounding him and again, making any reasonable man fear that he was about to be assaulted again, which is exactly what happened.

The bikers should be damned glad they were in NYC. If they tried that here in the midwest, I imagine the entire situation could have ended after the initial contact with several bikers in the ER (or morgue) with gunshot wounds, and the SUV driver successfully arguing Stand Your Ground/self defense.

And people ask "oh dearie me, why would anyone need an assault rifle with a high capacity magazine?"
Well, because sometimes our civilized society is not all that civilized.

The driver or his family could just as easily end up there as well though.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I'd totally be fine with a law saying that anything more than 5 motorcycles travelling together need to have a parade permit. These mass drives are a complete nuisance and it just leads to dumb ass behavior.

Amazing how a helmet makes them feel invincible.

The video makes it pretty clear that the biker caused the accident even though a strict interpretation would blame the SUV rider. Notice how the rider is riding in the SUVs lane and makes some kind of gesture while passing? There is more going on here.

Interesting that the rides even released the video. With out it the SUV driver is totally screwed. The story would only be about a rich SUV driver driving over some bikers- not easy to win. The video shows the reality.

Bad 70s movies have made people think a biker gang is the most dangerous thing on the road. They are nothing more than bowling pins.

Kudos for the SUV driver for acting decisively. A lot of people would get out the car or not drive over people. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[CrazyFingers]

The driver or his family could just as easily end up there as well though.

True, but that applies to most any potential self-defense situation, doesn't it?