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    Quote Originally Posted by F-Trooper05 View Post
    I'm looking for a new TV. I'd like to get around 50" for under $1K. Every time I'm in Sam's Club the Vizio's always look like they have the cleanest picture, and they retail for around $750. Anybody have any input?

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    Short answer: Don't buy a TV from Walmart. Better yet, don't buy a TV at all until you do some more research.



    Long answer: First off, you're falling for the standard marketing gimmic of choosing the TV that "looks best" in the store. You can do all sort of funky things in the settings to make a crappy TV look really good, and a good TV look really crappy - adjusting brightness and color saturation is pretty easy. You should also know that generally speaking, not all of the TVs are fed the same quality of video input. Usually the ones they want to sell are fed the master feed, while others just get "copies" of the video feed at a lower quality. This plays a big part in how "good" the TVs look in the store as well.

    Secondly, ever wonder why you only find Vizio TVs at Walmart and not BestBuy or elsewhere if they're so awesome? Well it's because Vizio is a Walmart brand, made specifically to Walmart's specifications (read: made really cheap). It amazes me that so many people think Vizios are the cream of the crop... They're budget TVs.



    If you really want to get into TV shopping, you should first understand the difference between LCD/LED, Plasma, and DLP.

    LCD and LED TVs both use a liquid crystal display ("LCD") to produce an image. The only difference between the two is the light source. LCD TVs use fluorescent tubes behind the display and LED TV's use, you guessed it, LEDs. The LEDs can be arranged around the edge of the display with a mirror like backer behind the screen itself to even out the light, or arrayed directly behind the screen itself. Both types of LED TVs will generally use slightly less energy than LCD TVs, but only TVs with LED backlighting directly behind the screen offer any real improvement in image quality *IF* they support local dimming (individually turning LEDs on/off to produce darker blacks and brighter whites/colors). The major downside to LCD/LED technology is the liquid crystal display itself. The crystals do not produce light by themselves - they only filter it. Each individual crystal can allow white light to pass through, add color to the light, or block the light to create black. This "screen door" effect can make LCD/LED TVs seem dim when viewed at an angle because the light is filtered out straight ahead. Also, because the crystals need to be physically moved in order to change color, LCD/LED TVs have the slowest refresh rates of the three types of TVs, by a longshot, and experience the most judder and choppiness when displaying fast moving images or slow panning scenes. Another thing to consider is that most modern LCD/LED TVs have artificially fast refresh rates (120 or 240 hz) which can cause their own picture anomalies because they may multiply the frames of the host media unevenly (2,3,2,3,etc...). I could go into more detail but this is probably something you want to research yourself.

    Plasma TVs use plasma technology where individual phosphor cells in the screen itself are "excited" with electricity to display color (they actually light up themselves). Since these cells can be turned "on" and "off" individually, plasmas offer the highest dynamic contrast rates of the three types of TVs. Side note - Dynamic contrast is true contrast; it is the difference between the brightest white and darkest black a screen can display at the same time. Static contrast is just the difference between the brightest the screen can get (all white screen) and the darkest it can get (all black screen). Back to plasmas - Plasmas also offer incredibly fast refresh rates and very good motion picture display. The downsides to plasma TVs are that they usually use quite a bit of energy and give off a ton of heat. They will also get progressively dimmer with use as the phosphor cells age, and may start to create "phosphor trails" at some point in their life cycle. Highly reflective glass screens and a relatively low maximum brightness also make Plasmas a poor choice for a brightly lit room.

    I currently own a 65" 1080p DLP TV after doing much research on the three types. DLP technology outpaces both LCD/LED and Plasma technology on numerous fronts. The downside is their size - at 12"-24" deep wall mounting is definitely not an option. If you can get over that (most people put there TVs on a stand anyway ) they are definitely worth a look. They have the fastest refresh rates of the three types (each pixel can individually refresh over 50,000 times per second) and modern DLP technology has produced incredible color spectrums and contrast ratios that easily exceed LCD/LED TVs, and give Plasmas a run for their money. They are also REPAIRABLE so you can enjoy your new purchase for many many years, even if part of it breaks (something you cannot do once your LCD or Plasma screen goes out). DLPs are also much more affordable than a similar sized Plasma/LCD/LED of comparable quality.



    So to summarize here are some of the main things to look for in a TV, and how the three types compare in that category:

    Screen size: DLP > Plasma > LCD/LED
    Dynamic contrast ratio: Plasma > DLP > LCD/LED
    Refresh rate (for crisp fast motion display): DLP > Plasma > LCD/LED
    Color spectrum: DLP > Plasma = LCD/LED
    Price (for comparable screen size): DLP > Plasma > LCD/LED
    Energy consumption: LCD/LED > DLP > Plasma

    As for reliability, choosing a quality brand (NOT Vizio) and getting a surge protector/power conditioner will go a long way. Also, both Plasma and LCD/LED TVs can "ghost" so take that into consideration if you display a lot of static images, watch TV with logos or runners at the bottom, or play video games with static HUDs. You can use screen wipers or white screens to remove the ghosting *if* it does develop, but that will reduce your screen life and use additional energy. DLP TVs are immune to ghosting.


    Not to sound like a DLP fanboy, but seriously... look into DLP.

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    sorry but DLP is last decade 2000 calling we want our DLP back and yes the grunge look is dead also



    Quote Originally Posted by Badger89 View Post
    Short answer: Don't buy a TV from Walmart. Better yet, don't buy a TV at all until you do some more research.



    Long answer: First off, you're falling for the standard marketing gimmic of choosing the TV that "looks best" in the store. You can do all sort of funky things in the settings to make a crappy TV look really good, and a good TV look really crappy - adjusting brightness and color saturation is pretty easy. You should also know that generally speaking, not all of the TVs are fed the same quality of video input. Usually the ones they want to sell are fed the master feed, while others just get "copies" of the video feed at a lower quality. This plays a big part in how "good" the TVs look in the store as well.

    Secondly, ever wonder why you only find Vizio TVs at Walmart and not BestBuy or elsewhere if they're so awesome? Well it's because Vizio is a Walmart brand, made specifically to Walmart's specifications (read: made really cheap). It amazes me that so many people think Vizios are the cream of the crop... They're budget TVs.



    If you really want to get into TV shopping, you should first understand the difference between LCD/LED, Plasma, and DLP.

    LCD and LED TVs both use a liquid crystal display ("LCD") to produce an image. The only difference between the two is the light source. LCD TVs use fluorescent tubes behind the display and LED TV's use, you guessed it, LEDs. The LEDs can be arranged around the edge of the display with a mirror like backer behind the screen itself to even out the light, or arrayed directly behind the screen itself. Both types of LED TVs will generally use slightly less energy than LCD TVs, but only TVs with LED backlighting directly behind the screen offer any real improvement in image quality *IF* they support local dimming (individually turning LEDs on/off to produce darker blacks and brighter whites/colors). The major downside to LCD/LED technology is the liquid crystal display itself. The crystals do not produce light by themselves - they only filter it. Each individual crystal can allow white light to pass through, add color to the light, or block the light to create black. This "screen door" effect can make LCD/LED TVs seem dim when viewed at an angle because the light is filtered out straight ahead. Also, because the crystals need to be physically moved in order to change color, LCD/LED TVs have the slowest refresh rates of the three types of TVs, by a longshot, and experience the most judder and choppiness when displaying fast moving images or slow panning scenes. Another thing to consider is that most modern LCD/LED TVs have artificially fast refresh rates (120 or 240 hz) which can cause their own picture anomalies because they may multiply the frames of the host media unevenly (2,3,2,3,etc...). I could go into more detail but this is probably something you want to research yourself.

    Plasma TVs use plasma technology where individual phosphor cells in the screen itself are "excited" with electricity to display color (they actually light up themselves). Since these cells can be turned "on" and "off" individually, plasmas offer the highest dynamic contrast rates of the three types of TVs. Side note - Dynamic contrast is true contrast; it is the difference between the brightest white and darkest black a screen can display at the same time. Static contrast is just the difference between the brightest the screen can get (all white screen) and the darkest it can get (all black screen). Back to plasmas - Plasmas also offer incredibly fast refresh rates and very good motion picture display. The downsides to plasma TVs are that they usually use quite a bit of energy and give off a ton of heat. They will also get progressively dimmer with use as the phosphor cells age, and may start to create "phosphor trails" at some point in their life cycle. Highly reflective glass screens and a relatively low maximum brightness also make Plasmas a poor choice for a brightly lit room.

    I currently own a 65" 1080p DLP TV after doing much research on the three types. DLP technology outpaces both LCD/LED and Plasma technology on numerous fronts. The downside is their size - at 12"-24" deep wall mounting is definitely not an option. If you can get over that (most people put there TVs on a stand anyway ) they are definitely worth a look. They have the fastest refresh rates of the three types (each pixel can individually refresh over 50,000 times per second) and modern DLP technology has produced incredible color spectrums and contrast ratios that easily exceed LCD/LED TVs, and give Plasmas a run for their money. They are also REPAIRABLE so you can enjoy your new purchase for many many years, even if part of it breaks (something you cannot do once your LCD or Plasma screen goes out). DLPs are also much more affordable than a similar sized Plasma/LCD/LED of comparable quality.



    So to summarize here are some of the main things to look for in a TV, and how the three types compare in that category:

    Screen size: DLP > Plasma > LCD/LED
    Dynamic contrast ratio: Plasma > DLP > LCD/LED
    Refresh rate (for crisp fast motion display): DLP > Plasma > LCD/LED
    Color spectrum: DLP > Plasma = LCD/LED
    Price (for comparable screen size): DLP > Plasma > LCD/LED
    Energy consumption: LCD/LED > DLP > Plasma

    As for reliability, choosing a quality brand (NOT Vizio) and getting a surge protector/power conditioner will go a long way. Also, both Plasma and LCD/LED TVs can "ghost" so take that into consideration if you display a lot of static images, watch TV with logos or runners at the bottom, or play video games with static HUDs. You can use screen wipers or white screens to remove the ghosting *if* it does develop, but that will reduce your screen life and use additional energy. DLP TVs are immune to ghosting.


    Not to sound like a DLP fanboy, but seriously... look into DLP.

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    I have a Samsung DLP. Bought in 2007. I am now on my 4th bulb, (not a big deal) but am going on my 3rd DLP chip. Or better yet, would be going on my 3rd DLP chip if you could find one. On top of it I have compared my picture to my friends Sony and Samsung LED units and gotta say their pictures blow mine away. In the end, who is carrying DLP TVs any more?
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    LED LCD means no bulbs to change, and LED's have great life spans.

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    We've got a 2 year old Vizio and haven't had any trouble with it. It's a sample of one and since TV isn't a big deal to us it's fine for our needs.

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    I have had vizio for years, and Panasonic. Bothe are good, but you have to remember what you pay and why you pay it. Vizio is cheaper, but not a quality piece. Be prepared to buy a new one in 4 to 5 yrs if your lucky. Panasonic, more expensive and better quality, has them last a long time. So that and echo what everyone else said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honu View Post
    any newer TV should beat a older one

    compare new against new

    you get what you pay for Panasonic are pretty hard to beat all around and the top models are great

    vizio is a budget line that makes a decent product for a decent price so overall you could say its a great product on features and price but not quality

    think rock river or bushmaster vs say noveske or lmt

    both are fun to go plinking with but I own LMT etc..
    Well derrr I was speaking mainly about the Samsungs my brother just bought from Best Buy. So they're current models.

    The few A/V experts I've talked to about the Vizio M series say that these are a huge shift in the quality Vizio offers. These aren't Best Buy guys, mind you. They're professional home theater designers/installers. Currently don't own a Vizio, but based on the few months of comparing I've done - the M55 blows similar Samsung, Panasonic, and Sony models out of the water.

    Here's a review:
    For the money, it's tough to recommend another LCD TV that offers a similar picture, with only Sony coming close at twice the price
    http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-35781765.html

    ETA: We've had a 42" Vizio as a 'tailgate TV' for over 5 years now and it's never had an issue. It's been in the back of a truck from 40F to 90F. Hardly babied, and no problems. Up until now I've hated the way they look (cheap) with all the plastic around the screen. But my limited experience with the older Vizio models is that they hold up well.
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    I've never had any issues out of my 42" vizio

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    What little its on....I love my 42". Needed a sound bar from the getgo
    Now...its GTO.
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    Sound bar is a must - for the price this has been the best one I've ever tried. Great depth and good bass
    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HW-F55.../dp/B00BTCX118

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