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Thread: Reason #674 to not buy a Bushmaster

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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post


    This was one of the firearms I received today at work. Bushmaster Carbon 15 OCR, yes the receiver broke in shipping.
    Actually, it's the ultimate adjustable stock version. Goes from carbine to pistol to junk all at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunBugBit View Post
    Here's an example of who buys Bushmaster ARs.

    My favorite gun store employee, "Bob":

    1) Has only Kimber 1911s and highly recommends them because "they're the best, period".

    2) Tells people not to buy Colt, to buy anything but Colt, and when asked what he owns, the answer is "Bushmaster".

    I feel so good about myself when I talk to Bob.
    I talked to Bob the other day. The gun store had a bravo company complete rifle trade in they were selling.

    Bob told me the BCM and the Bushmaster were the same quality.

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    I don't know how rugged or fragile a carbon fiber BM is but I do know how destructive UPS is. Very destructive. Very, very destructive.

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    I really hope someone from BM corporate is having a good, long look at that picture. Then take a long, hard look at their business model and make some needed changes. I'd love to see them roll up their sleeves and become an American company we could all be proud of.
    Never sit at the bargaining table with an empty stomach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swag View Post
    I really hope someone from BM corporate is having a good, long look at that picture. Then take a long, hard look at their business model and make some needed changes. I'd love to see them roll up their sleeves and become an American company we could all be proud of.
    Think about what you just said there...

    Fast, cheap or correct. Pick two.
    Experience is a cruel teacher, gives the exam first and then the lesson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyFingers View Post
    Krusty783:
    Not to mention that the primary benefit from this is noticeable weight savings.
    Corrosion, breakage, and/or additional features of existing aluminum lower receivers does not appear to be a significant issue, so the main driving factor here would have to be weight savings. Look at the existing polymer lower offerings without the requisite metal reinforcements we're discussing. There appear to be differences that are certainly measurable, but not really overwhelming. Weight savings need to be considered within the context of a percentage of the entire rifle. Adding metal components to increase structural strength would of course add weight, potentially making the entire exercise pointless. How much lighter would a lower receiver need to be to make this worthwhile? One ounce? Six, etc.?

    Perhaps a better strategy would be to design a 5.56 rifle from the ground up with polymer as a significant component.

    Assuming the top few google results are correct, a Plum Crazy lower weighs 7.5 oz less than an aluminum one. Steel is 3x denser than aluminum, so a substructure would eat up that weight delta pretty quickly.

    Upon reflection, I'd bet that one would need to install some bushings in the steel frame because the frame would probably end up being .080" thick or less and that's not enough material to support the pins. So, you would need 2 bushings for every pin and you'd have to press those into the sub-frame. The process costs for this are adding up quickly and I'm not a manufacturing engineer, though I have worked at an airframer and a durable goods manufacturer. I don't have a hard time believing that a polymer over steel receiver is just not cost competitive with either aluminum or polymer options.


    What about the other alternative: Skeletonizing a steel receiver? You could probably remove a lot of the mag well, and the bulkhead in front of the FCG. I doubt this would yield anything weight comparable to an aluminum receiver.

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    If guns didnt have a coolness factor how many would really sell? With adds for real guns in video games these days marketing is more creative everyday. Nobody that buys these guns actually needs them, they are a luxury item that selling well in a bad economy due to the fear of them being banned.

    As far as bushmasters mancard thats nothing. Go to LWRC or any other high end AR site and you will find tons of marketing about how operator the product is and it makes the average 60k-200k a year guy want one to tell his buddies at the office about. Its way better than any mushbaster! I have this cool coating on my AR or it cost this much etc.

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    Big box store has Package Value Now $799.99 Includes:
    1- Carbon 15 .223 Rem. Semi-Auto rifle with Red Dot Sight,
    2- 30-rnd magazines,
    1- Box of 20-rnds 5.56 FMJ Ammo,
    1- Tactical Gun Case.
    I'm guessing the shooter who buys this will have everything he will ever need in an Ar. Load 5 rounds in each mag to function test. Save the other 10 bullets for when SHIF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FNS 9 View Post
    If guns didnt have a coolness factor how many would really sell? With adds for real guns in video games these days marketing is more creative everyday. Nobody that buys these guns actually needs them, they are a luxury item that selling well in a bad economy due to the fear of them being banned.

    As far as bushmasters mancard thats nothing. Go to LWRC or any other high end AR site and you will find tons of marketing about how operator the product is and it makes the average 60k-200k a year guy want one to tell his buddies at the office about. Its way better than any mushbaster! I have this cool coating on my AR or it cost this much etc.

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    OK, thats just bad,the box doesnt even seem tore up at all!

    One thing ive seen over the years is that most things that are in magazines like the man-card thing are crap. Thats why there trying to sell them. Really good products sell themselves. As far as "Bob" goes i just went through that at a new Gander mount. store here in Austin TX.

    Were they had Colt, Sig and pretty much every other m-4 made there, and the one "Bob" was trying to sell was the bushmaster becouse he carried it as a duty rifle. The colt was about 180 bucks more than the bushmaster,,, 180 bucks..... And these are the experts they hire to help you make a choice...My local gun store was almost as bad they just closed after 30 years but i never once got a correct answer to anything there...

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