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Thread: Do I need a New Trigger? If so, which one?

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    Does the rest of the trigger satisfy you? If it's just the reset, what happens when you drop a few hundred on a fancy new trigger and you still overshoot the reset?

    There's nothing wrong with getting a new trigger to match your needs, but it IS possible that may not fix your problem. However, practicing and learning your current trigger will (unless it's just an awful fit for you otherwise). Once you get at least a little better with it, re-evaluate. Your friend makes valid points, but they also may not be that valid for you (will you really be in situations where you need to use foreign guns, etc?)

    All that said, if you get good with the reset on a stock trigger, you'll only be better if you decide to upgrade.

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    Geissele S3G or SD3G is what you seek. I have an SD3G. Warning after buying one, you'll want one for every other platform you own, which they don't make I really want one for my AK.

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    Larry Vickers had a a cool segment on the Handgun Myth episode of TAC TV about getting your reset under control. He talked about guys waiting until the gun has cycled and they are back on target, before they let the slack out. They then rush their next shot. When people really get into a hurry they don't let the slack out, because their finger is going the "wrong way" (toward the bad guy) when it should be going the other way. He suggested getting your reset done during the recoil cycle so when the gun gets settled back down you are already reset and ready to go.

    Something to think about and I'm sure I butchered his explanation and reasoning.
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    You may actually BE faster than your trigger re-set.

    The civilian AR and GI A1 hammer are pretty massive. You can lighten it up some and it'll re-set faster.

    Standard to lightened:



    or you could just buy a JP Speed Hammer:



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    For me, it's not a trigger unless there is a "G" on it. You want fast, learn the mil-spec trigger then get an SD3G.
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    If you're missing the reset with a standard AR trigger, you'll miss the reset with a G trigger.

    If you reset the trigger while the carrier is still pressing the hammer down, the trigger will reset without a click whether it's a standard or Geiselle.

    The reset of my two G triggers (SSA & SSA-E) does not feel any shorter than the reset of any standard AR trigger I've tried
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    Thanks for all the replies guys, this lots of good information here.

    Quote Originally Posted by zirkdog View Post
    He talked about guys waiting until the gun has cycled and they are back on target, before they let the slack out. They then rush their next shot...... He suggested getting your reset done during the recoil cycle so when the gun gets settled back down you are already reset and ready to go.

    Something to think about and I'm sure I butchered his explanation and reasoning.
    I definitely don't wait until the gun is back on target to let the slack out.

    I don't have issues with rest on my Glock, but I don't shoot it nearly as fast as I shoot my AR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinister View Post
    You may actually BE faster than your trigger re-set.

    The civilian AR and GI A1 hammer are pretty massive. You can lighten it up some and it'll re-set faster.
    My splits are usually .13/.14 on average. I would guess re-set time varies a ton with different buffer, spring, carrier, weights etc, and it's probably a whole lot faster than .13 sec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clobbersauras View Post
    Thanks for all the replies guys, this lots of good information here.



    I definitely don't wait until the gun is back on target to let the slack out.

    I don't have issues with rest on my Glock, but I don't shoot it nearly as fast as I shoot my AR.
    Then slow down shooting the AR. You are trying to force the gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clobbersauras View Post
    My splits are usually .13/.14 on average. I would guess re-set time varies a ton with different buffer, spring, carrier, weights etc, and it's probably a whole lot faster than .13 sec.
    Your looking in the wrong place if shaving time is your goal. Lets say you drop to .11 with a S3G, you are only shaving 6 one hundredths or so, which is nothing at your current skill level. Those kind of small incremental time savings are concerns of the top level world champion shooters. Far too many lesser experienced shooters put too much emphasis on splits between shots. In reality times are made up on the time to the first shot, transitions between targets and other manipulations (reloads, movement, etc) drill dependent. You can make up tenths in your presentation to first shot and target to target transitions. This is huge time savings compared to trigger speed and shot to shot splits.

    First learn the USGI trigger inside and out. If you switch to a better trigger now will you improve? Probably yes, but fractionally. However more often than not, those who master the USGI trigger generally perform infinitely better when they eventually switch to a better trigger. FWIW - I show absolutely no time differences on a 2x2x2, half and half, or 1-5 with a standard USGI vs. a S3G trigger. As a matter of fact the fastest splits I have run have come off of USGI triggers at .10's whereas I only pull .11's with the S3G.

    Again looking at triggers to shave times is not the right place to be looking. Just some things to consider.

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