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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    "Just about anything." Exactly.

    I don't know if you're just being a troll or what, but if you've never experienced a malfunction on a Beretta 92 when shooting cheap steel cased ammo, you haven't shot it very much.
    Sorry, I took your post in a less than favorable light. Which we are getting off topic.

    As for the opening post, I like to see manufacturers off their consumers a choice.

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    I will say that MOST issues with carbine or mid systems are self inflicted by the owner. I have yet to buy or shoot a quality, factory built rifle with an issue. Once home gunsmiths start changing this or adding that, thats when an issues usually occurs. Same goes when building a frankenrifle. Do your research, use quality parts and assemble correctly and your issue will be very minimum, if at all.

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    Maybe because the Carbine gas is more proven for 14.5 and shorter barrels to be reliable through the following:

    More rounds in combat
    More tests by all the warfare centers
    More tests by SOPMOD program
    More combat kills than Mid Gas has or ever will have likely

    The military usually uses 16" barrels, so you may ask, why is this relavant to the civlian shooter. When life or death are on the line, many dont need the sexiest, the one that someone feels is more optimal, or whatever else is the flavor of the week. For some, the one that is the most proven to be reliable with a variety of ammo types and in a variety of environments is what is needed. And the most tested under the above scientific and real world tests is Carbine gas. For me at least, the possible positives of the mid length gas arent enough to weigh against the absolute and proven positives of the carbine gas. Others will differ of course, and it has been said before, grown ass man makes his own decisions. I like knowing that I dont have to do the testing myself, so I go with what is proven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post
    Example threads?

    I am looking at buying a BCM 14.5 mid length and would like to know about said problems.
    https://www.m4carbine.net/gtsearch.p...rel+&sa=Search

    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    This is usually because they're either running cheap ammo or have some kind of weird buffer arrangement.

    A similar issue happened when KAC first brought out its SR-15. People spent $2K+ on the rifle, tried to run it the cheapest ammo possible, and then proceeded to attack the rifle when they experienced malfunctions.
    Right point being these uppers are less flexible in what and how they run. If you set it up just right for a certain ammo, it is "better". They do not seem to be as reliable across a broader spectrum of ammo/configurations.

    As to the SR15, I feel it has similar issues, and people have reported as such. My personal SR15 upper can't be run in the winter on my lower with an A5 set up. I had to use the carbine system with the SR15 (i think carbine buffer).


    Personally my favorite set up has been DD carbine gas 14.5", A5 set up, and a LMT enhanced BCG. Shoots everything and shoots as soft or softer than my SR15.

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    The military does not use a 16" barrel.

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonhgross View Post
    Maybe because the Carbine gas is more proven for 14.5 and shorter barrels to be reliable through the following:

    More rounds in combat
    More tests by all the warfare centers
    More tests by SOPMOD program
    More combat kills than Mid Gas has or ever will have likely

    The military usually uses 16" barrels, so you may ask, why is this relavant to the civlian shooter. When life or death are on the line, many dont need the sexiest, the one that someone feels is more optimal, or whatever else is the flavor of the week. For some, the one that is the most proven to be reliable with a variety of ammo types and in a variety of environments is what is needed. And the most tested under the above scientific and real world tests is Carbine gas. For me at least, the possible positives of the mid length gas arent enough to weigh against the absolute and proven positives of the carbine gas. Others will differ of course, and it has been said before, grown ass man makes his own decisions. I like knowing that I dont have to do the testing myself, so I go with what is proven.



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    You said there have been problems with the mid length gas system. I would like to know exactly what you are referring to.

    Posting a link to a search result is not backing up your statement.

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    I suggest you reevaluate your thought process. The AR15 family of weapons wasn't designed to shoot crappy ammo or even steel cased ammo.

    Quote Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post
    Well yea, why not?

    A glock can shoot just about anything.

    A beretta 92f will shoot just about anything.

    Ruger 10/22 will shoot just about anything.

    But for some reason the AR platform gets a special pass to malfunction?

    If it can not shoot the dirtiest and cheapest ammo on the market, something is wrong with that firearm.

    I can run dirty and cheap ammo through my AK all day long. But if an AR malfunctions then you dont run cheap ammo through it,



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    Do some reading. Short of that if you are going to start a pissing match, don't do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post
    You said there have been problems with the mid length gas system. I would like to know exactly what you are referring to.

    Posting a link to a search result is not backing up your statement.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Do some reading. Short of that if you are going to start a pissing match, don't do it.
    The man made a statement there had been problems with mid length gas systems.

    Let him backup that statement.

    There is no pissing match here. All I want is him to backup the statement.

    I would like to know what "exactly" he is referring to.

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    And I told you to do some reading. If you can't do that stay out of this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post
    The man made a statement there had been problems with mid length gas systems.

    Let him backup that statement.

    There is no pissing match here. All I want is him to backup the statement.

    I would like to know what "exactly" he is referring to.



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