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Thread: Why do mfgs still make carbine length gas systems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMS951 View Post
    They're are plenty of threads of people having problems with 14.5" mids, even from good manufacturers.
    This is usually because they're either running cheap ammo or have some kind of weird buffer arrangement.

    A similar issue happened when KAC first brought out its SR-15. People spent $2K+ on the rifle, tried to run it the cheapest ammo possible, and then proceeded to attack the rifle when they experienced malfunctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    This is usually because they're either running cheap ammo or have some kind of weird buffer arrangement.

    A similar issue happened when KAC first brought out its SR-15. People spent $2K+ on the rifle, tried to run it the cheapest ammo possible, and then proceeded to attack the rifle when they experienced malfunctions.
    Well yea, why not?

    A glock can shoot just about anything.

    A beretta 92f will shoot just about anything.

    Ruger 10/22 will shoot just about anything.

    But for some reason the AR platform gets a special pass to malfunction?

    If it can not shoot the dirtiest and cheapest ammo on the market, something is wrong with that firearm.

    I can run dirty and cheap ammo through my AK all day long. But if an AR malfunctions then you dont run cheap ammo through it,
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    It's not getting a pass. The AR was designed and manufactured to shoot 5.56 mm NATO ammunition. The problem is when people shoot low quality .223 ammunition through it. Some work ok with it and some don't. 5.56 mm NATO ammunition and .223 ammunition are not the same thing and are made to two different specifications. I don't see it getting a pass as you say when people have malfunctions while running it with the ammunition it was designed to work with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post
    If it can not shoot the dirtiest and cheapest ammo on the market, something is wrong with that firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post
    Well yea, why not?

    A glock can shoot just about anything.

    A beretta 92f will shoot just about anything.

    Ruger 10/22 will shoot just about anything.

    But for some reason the AR platform gets a special pass to malfunction?

    If it can not shoot the dirtiest and cheapest ammo on the market, something is wrong with that firearm.

    I can run dirty and cheap ammo through my AK all day long. But if an AR malfunctions then you dont run cheap ammo through it,
    "Just about anything." Exactly.

    I don't know if you're just being a troll or what, but if you've never experienced a malfunction on a Beretta 92 when shooting cheap steel cased ammo, you haven't shot it very much.

    There are all kinds of handguns and rifles that have manuals that direct the user not to use various kinds of ammo, since it can cause malfunctions.

    Improperly built ARs with carbine-length gas system can have a myriad of different malfunctions. Yet I don't see you bashing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Stormin_ View Post
    I'm curious as to why you would feel they shouldn't make them?

    Carbine length gas systems will run pretty much any ammo you throw at them, and with the right buffer and spring combo will cycle smoothly while doing so.
    Amen. I'd like to turn it around and ask "why is the midlength still popular?"

    I understand it's a hit with people that shoot full power 5.56, but I got rid of a 16" midlength upper and a 14.5" carbine upper due to cycling issues with weaker ammo, i.e., lower powered commercial .223 like PMC.

    My 16" carbine gassed BCM weapons will eat any good quality but lower powered .223, and that's why I own only carbine gassed guns now.
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    While myself and many other users like the middy gas setup for 16/14.5" rifles, the carbine system isn't obsolete. Its orientation is slightly more resilient to underpowered ammo because of the increased gas dwell.

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    I don't run Tula through any of my Carbines, but have run alot of .223 PMC/AE never had a Malf with it. Lots of reloads at .223 levels zero problems. Now all I shoot in my SKS is Tula -but thats what the rifle was built to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Glockster View Post
    Amen. I'd like to turn it around and ask "why is the midlength still popular?"

    I understand it's a hit with people that shoot full power 5.56, but I got rid of a 16" midlength upper and a 14.5" carbine upper due to cycling issues with weaker ammo.

    My 16" carbine gassed BCM weapons will eat anything, and that's why I own only carbine gassed guns now.
    Interesting point. So a 16" carbine may be more reliable with a broader range of ammo? The drawback is that the system is harder on the BCG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnutAF View Post
    justin_247
    I don't run Tula through any of my Carbines, but have run alot of .223 PMC/AE never had a Malf with it. Lots of reloads at .223 levels zero problems. Now all I shoot in my SKS is Tula -but thats what the rifle was built to use.
    I've never had an issue with 223 PMC or AE, either. I have had some minor problems with Wolf and Tula (short stroking), but I can count those problems on one hand.

    What I'm talking about are people who come on here and complain, "I bought a BCM 14.5" middy and it won't run reliably with a Wolf XP buffer spring, LMT enhanced BCG, and H3 buffer. What a piece of crap!"

    Yeah...

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