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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    The lower on a SCAR is analogous to a trigger pack on a roller locked HK firearm. Neither are legal to engrave on them for an SBR.

    Yes I am aware some HK trigger packs are engraved for a sear, that is because they are a machinegun in themselves.
    So, is this your roundabout way to say that the "serialized portion" of the firearm is the only legal part of a firearm to be engraved? If so, then why doesn't the law say that?

    If we are going to play semantical games, then we can go right back to the OP's original question and conclude that there is indeed no reason to not engrave the barrel since it's explicitly mentioned in the rules.

    FWIW, this thread is not going to settle this one way or the other since the law is not clear (something that language like "serialized part of the firearm" would rectify). That said, I am not convinced that the serialized item must be engraved.

    Just my $.02 and my planned course of action. Hiding my dog now....

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    The lower on a SCAR is analogous to a trigger pack on a roller locked HK firearm. Neither are legal to engrave on them for an SBR.

    Yes I am aware some HK trigger packs are engraved for a sear, that is because they are a machinegun in themselves.
    You mean this: http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-Ge...te-107p217.htm
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    It'd be hard to argue that's a frame or receiver or barrel. It does meet the vague definition of a "receiver" though.

    However, the lower receiver of a scar is a receiver. Sounds absurd, I know, but it fits the legal definition of a receiver and, surprisingly, it's also called a receiver. Who would have thought! But engraving a non-metal part probably isn't legal, which is why you see polymer-framed pistols have a metal plate that bears the serial number in their frame. If a SCAR lower doesn't have metal surfaces to use for the engraving, it wouldn't be usable for that purpose.

    Basically, Scott, you may be right, but not for the reasons you've listed. But a Handl SCAR-25 lower is Aluminum, so it would work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    You mean this: http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-Ge...te-107p217.htm
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    It'd be hard to argue that's a frame or receiver or barrel. It does meet the vague definition of a "receiver" though.

    However, the lower receiver of a scar is a receiver. Sounds absurd, I know, but it fits the legal definition of a receiver and, surprisingly, it's also called a receiver. Who would have thought! But engraving a non-metal part probably isn't legal, which is why you see polymer-framed pistols have a metal plate that bears the serial number in their frame. If a SCAR lower doesn't have metal surfaces to use for the engraving, it wouldn't be usable for that purpose.

    Basically, Scott, you may be right, but not for the reasons you've listed.
    Plenty of firearms info is marked in polymer. Looking at some right now.

    Not the serial number, but manufacturer/location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khc3 View Post
    Plenty of firearms info is marked in polymer. Looking at some right now.

    Not the serial number, but manufacturer/location.
    I'm curious, which? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
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    Glock 19, HK P2000, among others, I'm sure.

    Both have manufacturer and country info on the frame, impressed into the polymer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khc3 View Post
    Glock 19, HK P2000, among others, I'm sure.

    Both have manufacturer and country info on the frame, impressed into the polymer.
    Interesting.

    27 CFR 479.102 (b): The depth of all markings required by this section will be measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges.

    I guess the rules for marking non-NFA items are different from the rules marking NFA items, as the above (from the NFA section of the law) implies that markings must be made on metal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    Interesting.

    27 CFR 479.102 (b): The depth of all markings required by this section will be measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges.

    I guess the rules for marking non-NFA items are different from the rules marking NFA items, as the above (from the NFA section of the law) implies that markings must be made on metal.
    Same paragraph is in 478.92, the ID requirements for manufacturers of Title I firearms.

    Both sections allow for variances in markings upon request.

    In reality though, I think if you have the required markings visible somewhere on the assembled firearm, you've complied with the intent of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwhited View Post
    He means you can't engrave the lower and it be legal. On the SCAR the upper has to be engraved.
    The irony being that in this case, the unregulated lower of a Scar and the regulated lower of an AR are functionally identical, the only difference being an arbitrary administrative ruling.
    Last edited by eodinert; 10-13-13 at 18:22.

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    Is it because FN marked the upper with serial number or is it because of the material composition of the lower?

    Quote Originally Posted by eodinert View Post
    The irony being that in this case, the unregulated lower of a Scar and the regulated lower of an AR are functionally identical, the only difference being an arbitrary administrative ruling.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kwilkin View Post
    So, is this your roundabout way to say that the "serialized portion" of the firearm is the only legal part of a firearm to be engraved? If so, then why doesn't the law say that?

    If we are going to play semantical games, then we can go right back to the OP's original question and conclude that there is indeed no reason to not engrave the barrel since it's explicitly mentioned in the rules.

    FWIW, this thread is not going to settle this one way or the other since the law is not clear (something that language like "serialized part of the firearm" would rectify). That said, I am not convinced that the serialized item must be engraved.

    Just my $.02 and my planned course of action. Hiding my dog now....

    The law implies the barrel or serial numbered receiver is acceptable for engraving.

    Which implies you cannot engrave the stock, bolt, trigger pack, handguard, etc.
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