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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    In Sales, there is a phrase, "Sell what is in the truck."
    Yeah, buy a lot of times, they don't even know "what is in the truck"!!

    I was at my LGS earlier this year and had a Magpul "foliage green" carbine length MOE hand guard in my hand (out of the box). Holding it up so he could clearly see it, I asked one of the guys behind the counter if they had anymore "foliage green" ACS stock's in stock either behind the counter or in the back (to go with the hand guard and pistol grip? He looked me in the eyes and said Magpul doesn't make "foliage green" parts, they make a similar color, it's called "OD green". I really didn't know what to say. I just handed him the box and pointed to the label that said "foliage green".

    As others have said, this is FAR from a "gun store issue". It's a "store issue" in and of itself. People need jobs and gun shops need people to work behind the counter. They can't afford to pay LAV, we all wish they could.

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    Go to Colonial Shooting Academy in Richmond, VA

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    Quote Originally Posted by coastwatcher42 View Post
    I found two gun stores and, of course, I checked them out. ... When I asked about ARs...

    This is where your plan went wrong.

    Never rely on a person working a sales counter to give solid advice. Their job is to sell you something, not educate you. A long time ago, in a galaxy far away, I sold cars for about six months. I would purposely push used cars because I made a larger commission. It is just the nature of the beast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brimstone View Post
    This is where your plan went wrong.

    Never rely on a person working a sales counter to give solid advice. Their job is to sell you something, not educate you. A long time ago, in a galaxy far away, I sold cars for about six months. I would purposely push used cars because I made a larger commission. It is just the nature of the beast.
    I agree. Do your own research and know what you want before you go shopping. With the recent hysteria-driven demand for ARs and other firearms/ammo/accessories, I've seen a lot of brands pop up that I'd never heard of. When the troubles began, a co-worker asked me to go shopping with him. The shop we visited had was taking orders for some upstart brand of M4 for $1500. The salesman told us they were mil-spec. I managed to get my friend out of there before he plopped down a $500 deposit and told him to keep looking. Today you can buy a Colt SOCOM for less than that off-brand. Some gun shops have simply sold what they can get their hands on in the configuration that customers want. And remember the vast majority of customers are not going to drive their guns all that hard. Better to know what you want ahead of time and go shopping for the best price than to argue with some of these knuckleheads.

    I know of some LE agencies that issue Bushmasters cause they've supposedly had issues with Colt. These are used as patrol rifles and probably don't get shot more than once or twice a year. Granted, price probably also played a major part in the selection process. I have used Rock Rivers at work for several years and know that several federal agencies that shoot a lot more than the casual shooter issue them. I personally never had any problems or seen any that were not operator induced (such as complacency in maintenance and incompetence). That said, I am not in a combat environment nor do I shoot 10k rounds per year; but if I did, I know that I should go shopping for a high end AR.

    In terms of the gun magazines favorably reviewing anything that Js brought to them, that's been a given for years. The only gun journalists who ever honestly rated anything were with the old Handgun Tests magazine from the late 80s early 90s. They bought all their test guns over the counter and abused them. I wish they were still in publication.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coastwatcher42 View Post
    ........All of the firearm "reviews" that I read extolled the virtues of that particular gun and could find few, if any, faults with them. This was the same whether the gun was an Olympic Arms or a Daniel Defense.......
    Let me ask you a question. First, I'm going to pick on Ruger because I know them all too well. Second, let's assume you are a "gun riter". You get a call from Ruger inviting you to go on a hunt. You you fly at Ruger expense to to a game lodge paid for by Ruger. At night you drink Ruger whiskey and eat Ruger steaks. By day you hunt guided by a Ruger paid guide and you shoot a Ruger elk which is cut up, frozen and shipped to your house at Ruger's expense. The rifle you use is a Ruger, carefully prepared by a gunsmith, not a gun assembler. When you are done Ruger gives you the rifle. What are you going to write about Ruger after Ruger flies you home first class of course? If you had my experience with the gun industry, "gun riters" and various experts you would be vastly skeptical. I have been doing guns for 40+ years and it took me 20+ years to figure out what I just 'splained to you. I'll tell you something else, again picking on Ruger. You buy a Ruger and are astounded to find it is not right. You call Ruger and expect them to take care of because you are after all, the customer right? Wrong. Ruger's customers are Lipseys, G. Zander's, Southern Ohio Gun, etc. etc. And the big distributors, Ruger's customers are happy as clams because they are selling all the guns they can get and they are getting a lot of guns from Ruger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveAR View Post
    Go to Colonial Shooting Academy in Richmond, VA
    I live just north of Richmond. I'll be sure to stop in sometime as my GFs dad has a membership to the range. What should I expect?

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    I quit even asking/talking about ARs when I go in a new gun shop. I highly doubt it's going to do any good trying to explain to billy bob why I want the colt/DD/etc more than the dpms.

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    It's all about costs of good sold and substitute goods. If the consumer thinks that a Delton is just as good as a Colt for half the price to them it is. If a business can sell two BMs for 700 each for every 1 colt at 1100 each they have made a profit. To 90% of the AR owners out there they will never know the difference between an Aimpoint and a Barska. They will shoot 100 rounds every quarter or so at a stationary target 25yds away and be happy with that. The other 10% will know what they are looking for before they even go in the store.

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    Scrubber, the CSA pro-shop is bloody good.

    If you talk to Tim O or Mikey G in particular, you can conclusively expect to get sold what fits your actual (perceived) needs, presuming you can articulate them intelligently to begin with.

    A solid-acting citizen who has some level of knowing what they don't know, they'll genuinely try to help educate in terms of both defining those needs AND technical aspects of any given gun, especially if they're not stacked with customers. There's limits to that because, like many of us, they have long since come to the conclusion that they are not Retard Whisperers.

    Tim's got something approaching LAV-level knowledge of firearms development. He has also been known to pick up by a truculent customer by the ankles (who'd caught an attitude over being shown how terrible his knowledge base was), beat him to death against the floor/ceiling/pillars, applewood-smoked the corpse and ate it...

    ...and then ensured his kids never learned to read.

    Kidding. Biiiiiig guy, good staff.

    CSA is the complete polar opposite of this thread's topic. Their on-site armorer does quick, good work, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinister View Post
    There are more than a few gun magazine writers who have no clue what they're evaluating.
    Ain't that the truth. I went through an instructor school with a guy that wrote for a mag. He was a complete and utter idiot, and so full of himself that half the class wanted to choke him out halfway through the week.
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