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    I'm lucky in that my local lgs is pretty reasonable with both price and knowledge. They do have some locals that hang out though and some are great to interact with and others are just obnoxious and annoying. I go by mostly to check ammo and make specific purchases.

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    I think it's a pretty broad brush to paint absolutely all us gun store employees as arrogant, ignorant idiots who have no place around firearms.

    I think the reason that most gun store employees are ill informed is because many are hired for the wrong reasons. Namely, they think they are good candidates for the job because they've been shooting for years and they own over fifty guns. The thing is, they shoot no more than a couple hundred rounds a year and the many guns they have were bought without one minute of research and most cost less than $150 a piece. They spent a couple years in the military once upon a time so the hiring manager thinks that must equal weapons expertise. That military time was spent as being a cook in the Air Force reserve and the weapons experience was the basic training qualification. They do a lot of research and have a lot of good sources for gun info. That research is Guns and Ammo, Field and Stream, Soldier of Fortune, and the guy at the bar who claims he is an ex-SEAL Team 6 operator.

    So yes, I admit, that most people in my field are not great sources. I don't like when people look at me like I'm a snob because I insist that I'm looking for a Colt when they insist that it's overpriced and I should get a DPMS, which is not only less expensive but actually better quality. But there are some really good, well read, and honest salesmen in this industry. I may not approach the level of expertise of someone like Grant, but I've done my research and I think that I have enough knowledge to help customers find a good quality product that will satisfy their needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinister View Post
    There are more than a few gun magazine writers who have no clue what they're evaluating.
    Pretty much this phenomenon has made it to where I don't even bother perusing the magazine rack anymore. The one or two potentially usable articles buried in all those rags are written be people who also post in this a few other forums - and those discussions are far and away more in depth and definitive than the massively abridged version wedged between extenze ads.

    I actually feel a bit bad for the publishers - anybody with a decent knowledge base can go on the internet and find better content, and they're stuck hunting for staff writers that might know a bit in one area, but are clearly out of their element with 2/3 of what they review, and are only saved from ridicule by the fact that even the 'long term' flavor of those firearm reviews involve less rounds than a function test done by any 1911 top smith.


    It's really easy to paint the LGS with a broad brush, but it's the same with something like mountain bikes - there's usually or or two guys in a shop, or rarely a shop with all enthusiasts; they know their **** inside and out, will tell customers the information they need instead of what they want to hear before whipping out their wallet - and they're the exception. For the most part, the employees know enough to run the register, figure out if people are just window shopping, and can recite enough of the buying guide from the most recent magazine to provide some well-intentioned misinformation. Why should the shop owner pay to have an SME behind the counter when the 1% of customers through the door who know the difference probably don't need help or advice anyway.
    Last edited by TehLlama; 10-09-13 at 20:55.
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    If you do you homework, there is no reason to buy locally if you can get a better price online. LGS problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptmccain View Post
    If you do you homework, there is no reason to buy locally if you can get a better price online. LGS problem solved.
    If there's an LGS that can come within a couple bucks of the shipped price for any item - I'll happily spend money there to keep that local gun shop running. I usually find such better prices online this doesn't matter, but anywhere it's close I'd like to help somewhere close that's B&M afloat so they are still there if I need a cheap part locally faster than it can be shipped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptmccain View Post
    If you do you homework, there is no reason to buy locally if you can get a better price online. LGS problem solved.
    I don't mind spending a bit more to support a good local business. Doesn't matter if it's a gun, a motorcycle, etc. Plus it's helpful to know the locals for when you might need some assistance with your purchase instead of dealing with a company that's far away.

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    I'm 16 and I tend to know more about guns than most gun store employees. I used to try and explain why they were wrong but now I just say ok.

    I live in northeast Colorado and so sometimes I go to Cabela's in Syndey, NE as it's only an hour away. About a month ago I got my AR (BCM for those wondering) and a week later I went to said Cabela's. While I was there, I had a lady working at the counter tell me that ARs and handguns that could hold magazines over 15 rounds (pretty close to every semi-auto pistol produced today) were illegal in my state. I tried explain that only the magazines were illegal and that a week prior I had purchased an AR-15. She blew me off and tried to tell me that some ARs are made so that only 15 magazines could fit and those were legal but they didn't carry any.

    I realize that I have a lot to learn, but it upsets me when someone who many consider to be a firearm authority spouts off lies about the laws. I'm sure she really believed what she was saying but I just don't understand why people can't do a little research before providing others with "facts." Ok rant over

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    Quote Originally Posted by fdxpilot View Post
    Actually had a good experience the other day. Went into Sportsman's Warehouse to look for 5.56 and some 12ga buckshot. Couldn't resist going to the back corner where they have all the ARs and accessories. I saw the sales guy putting an AR on the wall, and asked him if it was indeed the Troy carbine it appeared to be. He said yes and brought it over. I looked at it while we chatted about the "Dick's Sporting Goods fiasco." As we were chatting, another customer came over. He asked about AR's and wanted to see the best selling one. The sales guy pointed to a Bushy. When the customer said, "I guess that's your best quality one?" the clerk, to my surprise answered, "No, the best quality ones don't sell well,, as everyone is going for low price." He then proceeded to point out several Colts, S&W MP15s, and the Troy I was looking at as higher quality rifles, as compared to the Bushys, DPMSs, and Wyndhams in the rack. I was impressed with the guy's honesty. I left before seeing what the other guy purchased, if anything, but will definitely consider them when I shop locally, as opposed to on the 'net.
    When I lived in Collierville, I spent a TON of money at Sportsmans Warehouse. When they shut down the Memphis one, my kids laid black flowers in front of the door. We went into mourning.

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