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    Quote Originally Posted by tog View Post
    if you had to actually use one for defense, which would you choose
    I own a few of each and tried to use them In local 3-Gun competitions , just for fun here's my opinion:

    AR: 30 round mags (typical), last shot hold-open and faster reloads, easier to operate safety lever. Easy to mount optics and other accessories (a light).

    M1 Carbine: 30 round mag (typical), larger bullet diameter, but Long range performance is worse. Safety lever kinda weird on either type: push-button safety confused with mag-release (Been there, done that). The lever style safety is hard to use one-handed. No last-shot hold open, (some aftermarket magazines will catch the bolt on follower when empty), so for mag-changes have to reach-over to pull the op-rod after reloading. No adjustable stock, no easy way to mount optics/light Etc.

    Trying to run both in a local 3 gun match, I prefer my AR-15.


    If you don't reload, the 30-Carbine ammo is a deal-breaker IMO, it's well on its way to obscurity.

    Caveat: I'm talking about "what would I choose for a firefight", not collectors value or historical importance. This post is for entertainment purposes only, I'm not an "operator".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzed250 View Post
    I would not trade my Winchester M1 carbine for a lower tier AR. The value of M1 carbines has gone up steadily in the last few years.
    Value questions are a bit OT from the OP, but since everyone keeps bringing it up: numerically the $ price rises but compared to inflation and other similar-risk investments it's not a slam-dunk. There have been other threads on this issue and when you add these factors it's not a money-maker.
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    http://forums.thecmp.org/showpost.ph...5&postcount=52

    http://forums.thecmp.org/showpost.ph...1&postcount=56

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    As long as it is a real military manufacture M1 carbine and not one of those cheaply made postwar civilian market guns, id take that. They are very cool and in my experiences are generally accurate enough to be fun shooters to at least 100 yds. Apart from ammunition not being as prevalent as it once was I would not feel terribly disadvantaged in a bad situation if all I had was an M1 carbine.

    I had a nice one once and shot the hell out of it. Few pieces of history are this fun and its great for women children and new shooters. I sold mine to fund other gun projects, its sorely missed and needs to be replaced.
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    Depending on the condition & manufacturer of the M1, I'd be going with the M1.

    I don't have one, and have always had a slight interest, and I already have two top tier AR's anyway, so why not in that case!?!

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    Avoid the Commercial M1 Carbines made with commercial receivers/parts. They are junk. Especially a red-flag is anything with the commercially redesigned Op-Rod with open "slot" that the bold lug rides in (looks like stamped steel). Run away if you see this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tog View Post
    a lower tier AR or WWII m1 carbine? After reading on M4carbine.net for some time I know the feelings towards lower tier ARs. But, if you had to choose between the two, or maybe you were advising someone else who had this decision before them, or if you had to actually use one for defense, which would you choose? Also, for you instructors, has anyone ever showed up at your course with an m1 carbine?

    What is your definition of lower tier? Is this a price point question or quality point questions? For example $800-$900 can now days buy you a lot of AR for the money and at this price point, a Palmetto State Armory, Spikes Tactical, or Smith and Wesson M&P 15 for a fighting weapon over any M1 carbine. At a lower price point, I would still take a S&W M&P 15 sport at $600 over a comparably priced M1 carbine.

    That said, I would want a USGI M1 Carbine over a lower grade AR like Olympic arms, Hesse/Vulcan, etc....

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusader377 View Post
    What is your definition of lower tier? ....At a lower price point, I would still take a S&W M&P 15 sport at $600 over a comparably priced M1 carbine.
    ^ this.
    At the ~$650 price point for an M1 Carbine you are getting a well-worn "shooter" grade USGI carbine, below that price you get Into the post-war and Commercial carbines. I also have a M&P 15 Sport, among others, and it runs better (less jams and easier to operate) than my M1 Carbines (USGI).

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    Opinions and prices as-of 2013. subject to change due to market conditions, geographic area, politics, and phase of the moon.
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    I'd get the M-1, provided it's from a quality manufacturer but...if you are looking for a carbine for a defensive nature and it's not an immediate need, I'd continue to save until I could obtain a more quality M4 type platform.
    For God and the soldier we adore, In time of danger, not before! The danger passed, and all things righted, God is forgotten and the soldier slighted." - Rudyard Kipling

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    Lower tier AR.

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    M1...something to keep and hand down for generations.. low tier AR, something to sell for a quality AR

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