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    That's right she knew the policy and chose to ignore it. When my employees knowingly violate a company policy I would terminate them too.

    Don't like my company's policy? Then you are free to go work for someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiffums View Post
    Reading the article she makes it sound like they were stealing from her.
    In an older persons mindset that is probably exactly as she saw it.

    If you steal from her employer that takes money out of his pocket which leaves less to pay employees. If you steal enough that her employer goes out of business you have stolen her job.

    Not too many generations ago this was a standard mindset and every employee would have done the same or similar without fail. But that is not the world we live in today.

    We have a much greater tolerance from crime and theft today and the threat of litigation is a huge motivator to do nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    In an older persons mindset that is probably exactly as she saw it.

    If you steal from her employer that takes money out of his pocket which leaves less to pay employees. If you steal enough that her employer goes out of business you have stolen her job.

    Not too many generations ago this was a standard mindset and every employee would have done the same or similar without fail. But that is not the world we live in today.

    We have a much greater tolerance from crime and theft today and the threat of litigation is a huge motivator to do nothing.
    Spot on.

    My father would've seen it as a matter of principle that you do NOT allow vermin to get away with theft. That something like thievery would be tolerated as a matter of policy would have been incomprehensible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    In an older persons mindset that is probably exactly as she saw it.

    If you steal from her employer that takes money out of his pocket which leaves less to pay employees. If you steal enough that her employer goes out of business you have stolen her job.

    Not too many generations ago this was a standard mindset and every employee would have done the same or similar without fail. But that is not the world we live in today.

    We have a much greater tolerance from crime and theft today and the threat of litigation is a huge motivator to do nothing.
    That's how it was handled with us.

    That and people had died in apprehensions before.

    How I'd solve it make the punishment for theft harsher.

    We can't make it a less litigation happy society. We can make jail terms longer though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avenger29 View Post
    Complaining about this kind of policy is kind of like complaining every time Pizza Hut or Autozone fires somebody for defending themselves with a gun.
    This is a problem when you consider how many pizza delivery drivers are robbed/stabbed/shot every year. They are in their personal cars I have no problem with them exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3 AE View Post
    Another example of "No good deed goes unpunished." A verbal reprimand to remind her of company policy, that I can see. To can her after eighteen years of service? That's just cold man, really cold.

    http://www.inquisitr.com/987974/lowe...ed-shoplifter/
    I think its kind of a slap in the face to those who actually do serve their communities, state or country to call working at Lowe's "service".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bp7178 View Post
    I think its kind of a slap in the face to those who actually do serve their communities, state or country to call working at Lowe's "service".
    I think you are being a tad sensitive. She provided what we can reasonably assume was "loyal service" to her employer.

    Is that "service" comparable to other occupations like LE, FD or EMS? Not really even though they are also paid occupations.

    And by the same token LE, FD and EMS typically is comparable to other services like military, CIA, NSA, etc.

    Bottom line is a flunkie at the Burger King window technically provides a "service." The quality and the importance of that service to the community, state or nation are all relative.

    Now if she tried to equate her "service at Lowes" to something more significant than it was, then I could see a reason to take issue. But I didn't see anything that indicated such an attitude. I think she was stressing her belief that it is unreasonable to be dismissed after all those years of service for essentially trying to protect the property of her employer.

    She probably genuinely can't understand how her actions can be viewed as a bad thing.
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    Slight disagreement. Only because there are plenty of cases of these robberies occurring where the criminal still executes everyone so as to not leave witnesses. So if they person say had a firearm in his vehicle and was in a position to intervene I would probably be OK with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Avenger29 View Post
    Complaining about this kind of policy is kind of like complaining every time Pizza Hut or Autozone fires somebody for defending themselves with a gun. ALL corps have these kinds of policy for insurance reasons. I had a friend get all rabid because Autozone fired that guy and I looked at her and said "And you don't think Advance, Oreilly, Car Quest, or NAPA would have done the same thing?" Please, it's the way business is done.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    People have been seriously injured and killed. Let them take the shit and walk away. Corporate office can deal with the BS. No amount of shit in those stores is worth getting killed over.
    The irony is, most theft at stores is internal. Statistics show store employees steal more than actual shoplifters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Slight disagreement. Only because there are plenty of cases of these robberies occurring where the criminal still executes everyone so as to not leave witnesses. So if they person say had a firearm in his vehicle and was in a position to intervene I would probably be OK with that.
    Oh I completely agree with smoking the robber and defending oneself. I'm just saying the company is gonna fire that person and it's not worth getting riled up about it because virtually all companies have the same policy. I just get annoyed when on the typical gun forum you have, say, a Pizza Hut delivery driver get fired for defending himself with a gun and everybody goes "Well I'm never eating there again!" and "Boycott! Boycott! Boycott!" when all the other pizza chains are the same exact way.

    At work if I was to shoot somebody assaulting me I fully expect to get fired because it is agency policy for us not to carry weapons. Every .gov organization is going to have the same policy (excepting LE of course). I'll be happy to not be six foot under, though.

    Welcome to the new America, where the fear of liability is a crippling disease. I don't know of any companies, beyond maybe a small, locally owned company, that doesn't prohibit employees from carrying a gun and/or tell employees not to mess with shoplifters.
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