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    Quote Originally Posted by TomD View Post
    RIGPIG, etal

    IMO, civilian LEOs have no valid reason to have FA weapons. A possible exception being DEA entry teams.
    What's the grand exception granted to the DEA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTakas View Post
    I think, particularly when it comes to the receiver extension, they don't stake guns for commercial sales because they know so many end users are going to mess with, modify, and upgrade their guns. They figure why bother staking it in place when Joe AR15 is just going to tear it off to add a single point sling plate or something like that.

    As for the gas key I have no idea why some manufacturers don't address that.
    That's BM's argument, however, if you don't stake the RE and you actually shoot a meaningful amount of rounds through the gun it will eventauly come loose.

    Re the gas key, staking and properly staking are two different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomD View Post
    RIGPIG, etal

    IMO, civilian LEOs have no valid reason to have FA weapons. A possible exception being DEA entry teams.
    Why Just the DEA? While FA weapons have a limited number of applications for civilian LEOs nearly all fall within the SWAT/SRT realm. For some patrol functions in truely remote areas think Border patrol / BLM Rangers etc. )I could see it but normally the level of sustainment training needed for maintaining FA competency just isn't there outside SWAT/SRT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Stormin_ View Post
    This has actually been the subject of a few discussions here. Rural LEOs are in less dense environments and actually more likely to need to (and be able to) safely engage targets at longer distances. How many 100 yard sight lines without potential collateral damage do you think exist in downtown Seattle? What about 30 miles outside of Seattle in rural North Bend, WA in the foothills of the cascades?
    Help me understand... Are you saying rifles have no place in urban LE? Using a rifle does give you the advantage of being able to engage at longer distances. Heck, some of the Indian country offices in the FBI now have LaRue .308's with Nightforce optics because of the vast expanses of terain.

    But having a rifle is about having a small arm that quickly and effectively stops a threat. Handguns are defensive and in general suck at stopping a determined human aggressor. That doesn't even include bad guys who are behind cover. If I'm going into a situation where violence is a possible outcome, I'm bringing my rifle. I don't care if the bad guy is in the same room.

    I don't have the actual numbers, but most LE snipers engage bad guys inside 75 yards. That's why I am cautious about putting a distance number on something like rifle use. That goes for LE and private citizens.
    Before you suggest that licensing, background checks, or other restrictions for the 2nd Amendment are reasonable... Apply those same ideas to the 1st and 4th Amendments. Then tell me how reasonable they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Cid View Post
    Help me understand... Are you saying rifles have no place in urban LE? Using a rifle does give you the advantage of being able to engage at longer distances. Heck, some of the Indian country offices in the FBI now have LaRue .308's with Nightforce optics because of the vast expanses of terain.

    But having a rifle is about having a small arm that quickly and effectively stops a threat. Handguns are defensive and in general suck at stopping a determined human aggressor. That doesn't even include bad guys who are behind cover. If I'm going into a situation where violence is a possible outcome, I'm bringing my rifle. I don't care if the bad guy is in the same room.

    I don't have the actual numbers, but most LE snipers engage bad guys inside 75 yards. That's why I am cautious about putting a distance number on something like rifle use. That goes for LE and private citizens.
    Seeing how bad so many are with a pistol I would shutter to see their rifle skills.
    Originally Posted by Iraqgunz
    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javelin View Post
    Seeing how bad so many are with a pistol I would shutter to see their rifle skills.
    They are much better for 99% of them. Rifles are easier to shoot for a variety of reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTakas View Post
    .......I think I would take anything heard over the counter of a gun shop with a gain of salt.
    Or two. Or three.

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    I've put 10,000 rounds through my entry tactical with no issues. How many of you have even owned a RRA or bushmaster?

    They are considered crap by forum commandos and those who generally don't shoot.

    That being said is it my primary?

    Nope my 10.4 hk416 is my go to hell rifle but the RRA has made it through class after class with no issues.

    Just my 2 cents.


    That and .98 will buy you a cheeseburger

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Cid View Post
    Heck, some of the Indian country offices in the FBI now have LaRue .308's with Nightforce optics because of the vast expanses of terain.
    I imagine that the Wounded Knee incident on the Pine Ridge indian reservation in 1973 had a lot to do with that. I remember seeing photos back in the day of some of the AIM leaders holding AKs aloft and thinking, "AKs? In America???"

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamster37 View Post
    I've put 10,000 rounds through my entry tactical with no issues. How many of you have even owned a RRA or bushmaster?

    They are considered crap by forum commandos and those who generally don't shoot........
    There are knowledgeable people who don't' like RRA, BM, etc, etc, referring to all the critics as "forum commandos" is high-risk.

    I think the faults of these guns gets amplified by endless repetition and exaggeration. I think a lot of the faults are not likely to be repeated.

    I think there are two standards for evaluating ARs, one for the guns that are in favor i.e. Colt et al and another for the guns not in favor i.e. BM et cetera. Example, BM will never be forgiven for selling guns with unstaked carrier keys even though no one seems to have seen one for years. Colt, judged by another standard evidently recently shipped some rifles with unstaked keys and it was dismissed. In fact, Colt seems to have some serious QC issues of late and no one seems to care.

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