Is this a good trade?

[WickedWillis]

Hey guys, so here is my question. I am looking at doing a trade for one of my favorite handguns of all time. I have a Sig Sauer P220 railed, in great condition with 2 magazines, and I am looking at trading it with the Streamlight TLR1 on it, plus $150 for an HK USP 45 with the mepro night sights and 3 12-rd HK mags. The gun looks to be in very good condition. My question is, am I getting a good deal here? Or is it too much for the HK?

[britishtq]

I would do it but I live in ca where getting a hk45 can only be done ppt and they are going for about $1000 stock. Even in another state I might do it, I love the hk's.

[Kain]

Personal opinion, from what I have seen used .45 USPs going for with nightsites and the newer 220s with rails, it is too much. Even trade, pistol for pistol sure, maybe a little cash ~100 at the very most maybe would be worth it. But the Sig plus the light and cash I think you are getting screwed personally unless there is something I am missing about the USP.

[WickedWillis]

Personal opinion, from what I have seen used .45 USPs going for with nightsites and the newer 220s with rails, it is too much. Even trade, pistol for pistol sure, maybe a little cash ~100 at the very most maybe would be worth it. But the Sig plus the light and cash I think you are getting screwed personally unless there is something I am missing about the USP.

See this is the exact type of response I was hoping for on here. The more I though about it, the more it made sense that I am giving up alot here. Maybe I just have my head in the clouds here a little bit because it is my dream handgun, but, I also I can get it new on some websites for as little as $890. I appreciate the feedback thus far.

[SteveL]

I'm inclined to agree with Kain. If it was an HK45 vs a USP .45 it might be a different story.

I used to have a USP .45 and while it's a nice gun and very easy to shoot well, it's a big blocky gun which is now a dated design and doesn't have the greatest ergos. I also never liked that it doesn't have a standard size rail on it.

[WickedWillis]

The USP was one of the 1st .45 ACP handguns I ever fired when I was younger. It is a large handgun (especially for me with smaller hands) but I've always held it as the gold standard for .45's. I enjoy my P220 and it's currently my nightstand gun, and I shoot it well. How much of a difference is it between the USP 45 and the HK45?

[Army Chief]

Well, in terms of intent at least, there is a very great difference between the USP and HK45. I'm not an active user of either, but the HK45 was/is a pretty purpose-built gun that probably warrants some separate research. I've a fairly low level of interest in USPs, which is not leveled as a criticism at all, but the HK45 and HK45C strike me as worthy additions to any tool kit. For me, the HK45C is really the more relevant of the two, however, as the HK45 is something of a behemoth, and not something I would be likely to use for what usually pass for practical purposes in a sidearm (most notably, carry).

Then again, I've got a Colt Commander strapped to my side at the moment, so what do I know?

AC

[Trajan]

Design wise, isn't the HK45 the exact same as the USP with the USP compact recoil assembly? That was at least my impression.

[ralph]

The USP was one of the 1st .45 ACP handguns I ever fired when I was younger. It is a large handgun (especially for me with smaller hands) but I've always held it as the gold standard for .45's. I enjoy my P220 and it's currently my nightstand gun, and I shoot it well. How much of a difference is it between the USP 45 and the HK45?

From a ergonomic standpoint, they are a light year apart.. The HK45 ergos are much more advanced.I'd say the newer HK45 is probably more accurate than the USP as well. I myself have a HK45ct, I'm not a fan of the stock DA/SA it came with. However, what little bit of shooting I've done with it, (mostly SA) showed that this is a accurate bastard. I had it converted to light LEM (my P-2000 and P-30 are also light LEM guns) and had Trijicon HD's installed, Hopefully I'll get to the range this weekend to try this setup out. Back to the topic, between the two, I'd go HK45 every time, See if you can find a shop with one in stock, and look it over for yourself. I think you'll be surprised...The light LEM is probably the best trigger HK has.. HK's DA/SA triggers aren't as good as Sig's The one that came on my HK45ct was very heavy, probably about 12-14 lbs DA pull. SA pull was much nicer at around 4-5 lbs The light LEM give you a constent 4-5lb pull, but, with long but light pre travel. It's a different setup,hard for me to try to explain on the 'net.. you can convert a HK45 to LEM, and if you don't like it, convert it back..

[WickedWillis]

From a ergonomic standpoint, they are a light year apart.. The HK45 ergos are much more advanced.I'd say the newer HK45 is probably more accurate than the USP as well. I myself have a HK45ct, I'm not a fan of the stock DA/SA it came with. However, what little bit of shooting I've done with it, (mostly SA) showed that this is a accurate bastard. I had it converted to light LEM (my P-2000 and P-30 are also light LEM guns) and had Trijicon HD's installed, Hopefully I'll get to the range this weekend to try this setup out. Back to the topic, between the two, I'd go HK45 every time, See if you can find a shop with one in stock, and look it over for yourself. I think you'll be surprised...The light LEM is probably the best trigger HK has.. HK's DA/SA triggers aren't as good as Sig's The one that came on my HK45ct was very heavy, probably about 12-14 lbs DA pull. SA pull was much nicer at around 4-5 lbs The light LEM give you a constent 4-5lb pull, but, with long but light pre travel. It's a different setup,hard for me to try to explain on the 'net.. you can convert a HK45 to LEM, and if you don't like it, convert it back..

I appreciate this overview on them. I handled a Mark 23 for the 1st time at my LGS the other day and that thing felt like it needed a shoulder strap or shooting sticks. I will try and get ahold of a HK45 or 45C this weekend and try them on for size. I know HK is synonymous with quality, as much as they are with the high cost of said quality. Thank you guys for all your views, and honest answers it's always appreciated.