Why do .mil guys shoulder so high?

[PALADIN-hgwt]

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[Cameron]

It yields a great check weld while keeping the neck in a natural position. The 5.556/.223 doesn't recoil enough to need my butt in the shoulder.

Cameron

[DocGKR]

Bring the weapon up to your cheek, not the cheek down to the weapon...

Try shooting with body armor, helmet, etc... with a collapsible stock--it simply works better to shoot the M4 type carbine with it in the position you describe.

[rhino]

Ditto. Putting just enough of the "toe" of the stock against your body/shoulder allows you to keep your head as upright as possible.

[Oscar 319]

I don't know if anyone uses these anymore, these were made with that principle in mind....

[panzerr]

The Army didn't teach me to shoot that way...I developed the habit on my own (and so would any 11B worth his salt)

[rob_s]

Transitioning from the AR to the AK this is one of my biggest complaints. If I hold the AK as high as I'd like with iron sights I get almost no toe at all, and the stouter recoil of the bigger bullet really starts to leave a mark after 3 days. Putting an Aimpoint Micro on the AK helped to some degree as now the sight plane is a little higher.

Same idea, for me, with the lower 1/3 cowitness mounts for Aimpoints and why I think the theory that the Eotech "comes with a mount" is nonsense; the Eotech sits far too low with it's stock "mount".

[Redhat]

The Army didn't teach me to shoot that way...I developed the habit on my own (and so would any 11B worth his salt)

that's surprising! Every .mil class I've ever been in taught to place the toe high in the shoulder pocket. Of course, with all your gear on you don't have much of a shoulder pocket so you must adapt.

[Jay Cunningham]

I was originally rained to shoulder my AR with the tip of the buttstock in the shoulder as described.

After training extensively with LAV (who preaches a more aggressive stance) my buttstock find a firmer purchase on my shoulder.

[Redhat]

I think it probably originated from the target shooting/marksmanship community who basically determined what went into the "official" training program.