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    Quote Originally Posted by TMS951 View Post
    That is a very bold statement, especially in regards to KAC.

    Noveske makes some very nice SS barrels, I have an SPR barrel and love it. It has an intermediate gas system which is innovative, but also developed by Vltor.

    KAC achievements are to long to list, but the E3 bolt system and AMBI forged lower are two huge ones.

    The LaRue rail/upper receiver interface is a total departure from milspec, Noveske not at all. LaRue also has the integrated trigger guard which is actually a really simple addition.

    Noveske makes a lower that is billet and not forged, this is not a innovation it is actually not even as good as milspec. It has a flared mag-well and an integrated trigger guard. There is nothing innovative here, just a couple extra lines in a CAD file. Are they nice little additions sure, but lets be honest here they are neither ground breaking nor difficult to do. Something like an ambi lower takes a lot of brain power and R&D. As does the E3 bolt system.

    Both the KAC and Larue rifles are cheaper (significantly) and offer a lot more.

    So what again is so innovative about the Noveske rifles, and what justifies the prices?
    The gen2 lower and Noveske MUR upper are forged. It's possible and even probable that the gen3 stuff is billet. Larue uppers and lowers are also billet. Double standard much?

    Noveske created some things... qd end plate, adapted the magpul scar selector to ARs, the KX3, their own barrels and chamber, the switchblock, a lot of keymod accessories, the NSR, etc.

    I don't know what justifies their prices. They may be doing what Trijicon and others do, create a huge msrp then allow distributors and dealers (rogtac, rainier, dsg, etc) to mark down prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshinn View Post
    The gen2 lower and Noveske MUR upper are forged. It's possible and even probable that the gen3 stuff is billet. Larue uppers and lowers are also billet. Double standard much?
    I am making no claims the LaRue lower is forged and or better than the Noveske lower. I wish the Larue stuff was forged too. Lower to lower I like the Noveske better with the magwell, its just not that special. KAC is the company that really came to market with an innovative lower.

    I am saying that the ways the LaRue rail/upper interfaces are above and beyond more innovative than the Noveske.

    The MUR upper is a rebranded Vltor piece, I would consider Vltor to have brought many innovative items to market. MUR, VIS, A5 system, ect.

    Keymod is neat, but not my cup of tea. I never see myself with one. The NSR however other than the keymod is not impressive, ultimately its quite simple in design and not really anything new.

    Quite frankly I think the KX3 is stupid, for the length added you could have a 12.5" barrel, a ton more velocity that comes with it and the operating issues of the 10.3" fixed. Its also not a new idea, its just an adaptation of the Krinkov muzzle device.


    Here's my issue, a basic Noveske gen 1 is 1730$, theres absolutely nothing that justifies it being more than 1250$ http://shopnoveske.com/collections/r...ce-basic-rifle it offers nothing a BCM from grant would offer for 1212$ when I put it all in a cart. Same setup but with moe handgaurd, still has forged barrel.

    But heres the kicker this is what 1682$ gets you from LaRue, http://www.laruetactical.com/16”-lar...l-predatar-556 it offer MORE than this similar 2575$ rifle from Noveske http://shopnoveske.com/collections/r...ke-recon-rifle

    That 900$ difference is nothing but a solid F-you to the customer. Enough of an F-you I don't see myself buying any more Noveske products in the future. I just can't bring myself to support that sort of behavior.

    As some one else said in this thread their rifles are back ordered, so basic economics would indicate people are more than willing to pay these prices. But as many other threads on this forum will indicate people will pay stupid prices for stupid shit all day long. A sucker is born everyday. At this point I would consider anyone who shells out the cash for one of these to be a sucker, they could have bought an equal or better rifle, plus an optic, sling and mags for that price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TMS951 View Post
    Here's my issue a basic Noveske gen 1 is 1730$, there absolutely nothing that justifies it being more than 1250$ http://shopnoveske.com/collections/r...ce-basic-rifle it offers nothing a BCM from grant would offer for 1212$ when I put it all in a cart. Same setup but with moe handgaurd, still has forged barrel.

    But heres the kicker this is what 1682$ gets you from LaRue, http://www.laruetactical.com/16”-lar...l-predatar-556 it offer MORE than this similar 2575$ rifle from Noveske http://shopnoveske.com/collections/r...ke-recon-rifle

    That 900$ difference is nothing but a solid F-you to the customer. Enough of an F-you I don't see myself buying any more Noveske products in the future. I just can't bring myself to support that sort of behavior.

    As some one else said in this thread their rifles are back ordered, so basic economics would indicate people are more than willing to pay these prices. But as many other threads on this forum will indicate people will pay stupid prices for stupid shit all day long. A sucker is born everyday. At this point I would consider anyone who shells out the cash for one of these to be a sucker, they could have bought an equal or better rifle, plus an optic, sling and mags for that price.
    My thoughts exactly. I think all of us respect the company and the products they bring to the market, but I feel that the end product and price point don't add up, especially when compared to similar offerings from other manufactures.

    But as others have said, Noveske products are always out of stock, so their business plan works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TMS951 View Post
    I am making no claims the LaRue lower is forged and or better than the Noveske lower. I wish the Larue stuff was forged too. Lower to lower I like the Noveske better with the magwell, its just not that special. KAC is the company that really came to market with an innovative lower.

    I am saying that the ways the LaRue rail/upper interfaces are above and beyond more innovative than the Noveske.

    The MUR upper is a rebranded Vltor piece, I would consider Vltor to have brought many innovative items to market. MUR, VIS, A5 system, ect.

    Keymod is neat, but not my cup of tea. I never see myself with one. The NSR however other than the keymod is not impressive, ultimately its quite simple in design and not really anything new.

    Quite frankly I think the KX3 is stupid, for the length added you could have a 12.5" barrel, a ton more velocity that comes with it and the operating issues of the 10.3" fixed. Its also not a new idea, its just an adaptation of the Krinkov muzzle device.


    Here's my issue a basic Noveske gen 1 is 1730$, there absolutely nothing that justifies it being more than 1250$ http://shopnoveske.com/collections/r...ce-basic-rifle it offers nothing a BCM from grant would offer for 1212$ when I put it all in a cart. Same setup but with moe handgaurd, still has forged barrel.

    But heres the kicker this is what 1682$ gets you from LaRue, http://www.laruetactical.com/16”-lar...l-predatar-556 it offer MORE than this similar 2575$ rifle from Noveske http://shopnoveske.com/collections/r...ke-recon-rifle

    That 900$ difference is nothing but a solid F-you to the customer. Enough of an F-you I don't see myself buying any more Noveske products in the future. I just can't bring myself to support that sort of behavior.

    As some one else said in this thread their rifles are back ordered, so basic economics would indicate people are more than willing to pay these prices. But as many other threads on this forum will indicate people will pay stupid prices for stupid shit all day long. A sucker is born everyday. At this point I would consider anyone who shells out the cash for one of these to be a sucker, they could have bought an equal or better rifle, plus an optic, sling and mags for that price.
    Colt still looks good at $997...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airhasz View Post
    Colt still looks good at $997...
    I've not seen a Colt for $997. $1097 yes.. Found one last month at walmart. But in the hand the Colt is no where near the feel and quality.
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    Since this is the hot Noveske thread, can anyone explain this ambi lower I found on their website?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyx Z View Post
    Since this is the hot Noveske thread, can anyone explain this ambi lower I found on their website?

    That's a Norgon Ambi magazine release, not an ambi lower. (at least from what we can see)
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    That's what I thought at first as well, but it has a fence around the controls, unlike the Noveske Gen I lower... it looks like the ambi mag release looks a bit different that the other Norgon's I have seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onyx Z View Post
    That's what I thought at first as well, but it has a fence around the controls, unlike the Noveske Gen I lower... it looks like the ambi mag release looks a bit different that the other Norgon's I have seen.
    I don't see a fence around the controls. Normal lower.

    That Norgon looks like every other Norgon.

    It's just a great photo with flattering lighting, maybe some color/image enhancements, taken from an angle you don't typically see that is making the shadows, etc. play differently to your eyes. Stickman is good at making such images. Amazing photography.
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