
Originally Posted by
TMS951
some one in the BCM jack thread did a break down on price, it adds up, same can't be said for the Noveske rifles.
Sure if its too much for you don't buy it. What people here can't wrap their minds around isn't the price, its the value. Its just not there, or at least no one has yet broken it down and shown where the value is.
There very well could be an AR out there worth every penny of 2800$, these guns are not it. They may sell for that much, but once the panic buying bubble bursts I have a hard time seeing them sell for that.
A great example of the lack of value in Noveske products, a few years back I wanted an SPR upper. A noveske SPR upper in a 12" Vltor VIS was around 1800$ I believe. I bought one from PKfirearms, with a Vltor VIS, Vltor LP gas black pinned, Noveske 18" SPR barrel AND a Young NM BCG (Noveske uses a standard mil spec BCG), and Vortex FH all for 1349$. Two de=ifferences, the Noveske upper said Noveske on it, not Vltor and PKfirearms assembled it, not Noveske.
Breaking down a rifle into parts sold by the same vendor is an interesting comparison, one I've done before too. The problem is that you assume the parts individually are also priced according to their value.
Noveske CHF barrels, for example, are $400-450. You get a pinned GB or FSB with that, so say they're $350-400. A Centurion CHF barrel is almost identical besides barrel profile and they generally don't come with a GB, but you pay a lot less.
However, that being said, I think the street price at places like DSGarms, Rainier Arms, RogTac, and G&R will be lower than Noveske's MSRP. Last year and this year we saw them moving out of the direct rifle sale business and pushed most of their firearm sales to their distributors and dealers, but they did keep selling accessories. S&W does that too, you can often cut 20%+ from their listed MSRP if you know where to look (G&R and Quantico Tactical come to mind). Trijicon is almost infamous for that too, I mean who has ever paid anything close to MSRP for a Trijicon optic?
And that being said, Noveske is a small shop selling boutique ARs. I'll be the first to admit that I have had trouble with their gen1 (out of spec trigger guard roll pin area) and gen2 (when monopodding with pmags, sometimes they didn't lock back on last round) lowers. And I don't like the SWS rail. But they make a great overall product. Noveske and KAC both make excellent rifles that are worth the price of admission.
"I never learned from a man who agreed with me." Robert A. Heinlein
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