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    Quote Originally Posted by KalashniKEV View Post

    (How do you feel about 1911 prices, BTW? )
    A 1911 is a whole different world, nothing is "hand fitted" on an AR, nothing is hand anything other than the basic assembly which takes less than an hour.

    1911 smiths study under other master smiths for years. Any one with basic mechanical competence can properly assemble an AR.

    And you can get a top tier 1911 for 2k

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    Quote Originally Posted by WickedWillis View Post
    I completely agree. It's not bringing anything new to the table, just people getting butt-hurt.
    I just don't understand why people cant mind their own business for real. If the price point is too high, either drop more cash, or save a little longer, or don't. Simple as that.

    I have a feeling these Gen 3's will be flying off the shelves so fast it will make their heads spin.

    And seriously M4C, I thought we were better than the other site. If you read their threads about the Gen 3 stuff it's not full of a bunch of bickering like this. Lets get back on track. This is one sexy rifle


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    Quote Originally Posted by TMS951 View Post
    A 1911 is a whole different world...
    Awww... jeez.

    I was really hoping no one would get side tracked with that, I was just offering another example for comparison.

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    I wouldn't go that far. They will sell, but the market is actually pretty saturated and there are distributors that have kicked back orders for stuff.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lopro619 View Post
    I just don't understand why people cant mind their own business for real. If the price point is too high, either drop more cash, or save a little longer, or don't. Simple as that.

    I have a feeling these Gen 3's will be flying off the shelves so fast it will make their heads spin.

    And seriously M4C, I thought we were better than the other site. If you read their threads about the Gen 3 stuff it's not full of a bunch of bickering like this. Lets get back on track. This is one sexy rifle




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    This info thread about the new Noveske lineup has been derailed and repeatedly crashed into a wall.

    The price complaining is kind of a moot point. Noveske products are not for the penny pinching, ketchup packet stealing, thrifty bunch. I don't buy them because they are cheap. I buy Colt rifles for that, I buy Noveske products for the same reason folks buy anything, I want Noveske rifles and see the benefits in owning them vs the price and available current competition.

    You don't like Noveske then look at one of these fine rifles instead. I think you will find their price point is in the same bracket.

    http://m.laruetactical.com/obr-556?sort=popular

    http://www.knightarmco.com/sr-15e3-i...s-carbine-mod1
    Originally Posted by Iraqgunz
    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~kev~ View Post
    Its not that I do not like the price, its that I can not afford the rifle at that price.

    If I am going to spend more than $1,200 on a rifle, it sure aint gonna be for an AR15. My DS Arms FN/FAL was only $1,300, and I can take that deer with that rifle all day long.

    There is no way an AR15 is worth over $2,000.

    Did anyone question the BCM jack selling for $2150?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JG007 View Post
    Did anyone question the BCM jack selling for $2150?
    some one in the BCM jack thread did a break down on price, it adds up, same can't be said for the Noveske rifles.

    Quote Originally Posted by 021411 View Post
    Stand by for breakdown. I will edit.

    Suppliers for rifle are: BCM, Geissele, HS, G&R

    Upper:
    Geissele SMR (Price based on 13") $345
    BCM 14.5" Standard Barrel mid $229
    BCM Comp Mod 1 $95
    BCM gas block $45
    BCM upper receiver $100
    BCM BCG $160
    BCM CH $45
    Troy sights $218
    Inforce w/mount $149

    = $1386

    Lower:
    BCM lower w/ ALG ACT $425
    BCM B5 stock $58

    = $483

    Grand total: $1869
    Remember, shipping is not included for anything. Optional assembly fee is not included. Transfer fee not included. Cerakote, roughly $200 is not included. People always say "I can build it cheaper.." But you get the picture. I'm talking about part for part build.
    Sure if its too much for you don't buy it. What people here can't wrap their minds around isn't the price, its the value. Its just not there, or at least no one has yet broken it down and shown where the value is.

    There very well could be an AR out there worth every penny of 2800$, these guns are not it. They may sell for that much, but once the panic buying bubble bursts I have a hard time seeing them sell for that.

    A great example of the lack of value in Noveske products, a few years back I wanted an SPR upper. A noveske SPR upper in a 12" Vltor VIS was around 1800$ I believe. I bought one from PKfirearms, with a Vltor VIS, Vltor LP gas black pinned, Noveske 18" SPR barrel AND a Young NM BCG (Noveske uses a standard mil spec BCG), and Vortex FH all for 1349$. Two de=ifferences, the Noveske upper said Noveske on it, not Vltor and PKfirearms assembled it, not Noveske.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lopro619 View Post
    If the price point is too high, either drop more cash, or save a little longer, or don't. Simple as that.
    Amen.

    I saved a year to buy my Noveske 14.5 NSR based on fantastic recommendations from this site. Never heard or read this much negative on Noveske until this thread. Accurate and light from the best was what I wanted and I'm sure I got it. Gen III looks great, probably start saving over the holidays for another one.

    Noah

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndmiller View Post
    Amen.

    I saved a year to buy my Noveske 14.5 NSR based on fantastic recommendations from this site. Never heard or read this much negative on Noveske until this thread. Accurate and light from the best was what I wanted and I'm sure I got it. Gen III looks great, probably start saving over the holidays for another one.

    Noah
    I was thinking the same thing, especially considering (as far as I can tell) everything is based on pre-production product data and no one here has put round one through a gen3 yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMS951 View Post
    some one in the BCM jack thread did a break down on price, it adds up, same can't be said for the Noveske rifles.



    Sure if its too much for you don't buy it. What people here can't wrap their minds around isn't the price, its the value. Its just not there, or at least no one has yet broken it down and shown where the value is.

    There very well could be an AR out there worth every penny of 2800$, these guns are not it. They may sell for that much, but once the panic buying bubble bursts I have a hard time seeing them sell for that.

    A great example of the lack of value in Noveske products, a few years back I wanted an SPR upper. A noveske SPR upper in a 12" Vltor VIS was around 1800$ I believe. I bought one from PKfirearms, with a Vltor VIS, Vltor LP gas black pinned, Noveske 18" SPR barrel AND a Young NM BCG (Noveske uses a standard mil spec BCG), and Vortex FH all for 1349$. Two de=ifferences, the Noveske upper said Noveske on it, not Vltor and PKfirearms assembled it, not Noveske.
    Breaking down a rifle into parts sold by the same vendor is an interesting comparison, one I've done before too. The problem is that you assume the parts individually are also priced according to their value.

    Noveske CHF barrels, for example, are $400-450. You get a pinned GB or FSB with that, so say they're $350-400. A Centurion CHF barrel is almost identical besides barrel profile and they generally don't come with a GB, but you pay a lot less.

    However, that being said, I think the street price at places like DSGarms, Rainier Arms, RogTac, and G&R will be lower than Noveske's MSRP. Last year and this year we saw them moving out of the direct rifle sale business and pushed most of their firearm sales to their distributors and dealers, but they did keep selling accessories. S&W does that too, you can often cut 20%+ from their listed MSRP if you know where to look (G&R and Quantico Tactical come to mind). Trijicon is almost infamous for that too, I mean who has ever paid anything close to MSRP for a Trijicon optic?

    And that being said, Noveske is a small shop selling boutique ARs. I'll be the first to admit that I have had trouble with their gen1 (out of spec trigger guard roll pin area) and gen2 (when monopodding with pmags, sometimes they didn't lock back on last round) lowers. And I don't like the SWS rail. But they make a great overall product. Noveske and KAC both make excellent rifles that are worth the price of admission.
    "I never learned from a man who agreed with me." Robert A. Heinlein

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