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    ...why does a 10.5" gun weigh 7 pounds? Does all that "pretty" really make up for the roughly 1.5# more weight you're lugging around? When you consider that the bare rifle weighs as much as a comparable rifle with a suppressor AND an Aimpoint T1 in place...

    Yes, I know I know "So shut up and don't buy one." Don't worry---I won't. I can assure you of that much. It just made my eyes bug out that the thing is so bloody heavy for a 10.5" DI carbine, and I had to ask...why? What's the "return" for that weight? Looks? I compared it to a comparable Gen II, and it's several ounces heavier. I would think making a gun lighter > making a gun heavier. There is absolutely ZERO benefit to those pounds and ounces, IMO, unless someone has a logical explanation? I'm genuinely curious as to the *why*, here.

    http://shopnoveske.com/collections/r...tchblock-rifle
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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    As several know, I have a personal issue with the Noveske product, so I'll try not to sling too much mud, but I did click the link and one thing caught my eye...why does a 10.5" gun weigh 7 pounds? Does all that "pretty" really make up for the roughly 1.5# more weight you're lugging around? When you consider that the bare rifle weighs as much as a comparable rifle with a suppressor AND an Aimpoint T1 in place...

    Yes, I know I know "So shut up and don't buy one." Don't worry---I won't. I can assure you of that much. It just made my eyes bug out that the thing is so bloody heavy for a 10.5" DI carbine, and I had to ask...why? What's the "return" for that weight? Looks?

    http://shopnoveske.com/collections/r...tchblock-rifle
    It is stainless barrel with a heavier profile and has the switchblock, to gather probably about 6-7oz more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrysimons View Post
    It is stainless barrel with a heavier profile and has the switchblock, to gather probably about 6-7oz more.
    Even taking 7oz off, that leaves it a solid pound more than the competition. I think it's more about looks than performance with that company, but hey, sexy sells, and business is about profit!

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    My Noveske 16" Recon upper was very well made, accurate and reliable. The barrel was a tack driver with standard ammo and served me well overseas.

    Are there are other barrels? Yep. Are some cheaper? Yep. Are some better? Maybe.



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    I'm not a fan.


    Let me clarify. I am a fan of Noveske products, but I am not a fan of the new Gen III rifles.

    I don't like the look of the Gen III rifles at all. I think the Gen II's had much smoother lines and were easier on the eyes. I also don't understand the move away from the MUR uppers... Are the Gen III uppers better in some way? If so, they don't seem to be doing a very good job of making the case. I think a lot of people would prefer the tried-and-true MUR upper compared to a new untested upper with very little available information. I know I would - I don't see this new upper offering anything the MUR doesn't already... They're also still sporting the AAC 51T flash hiders. That's fine for the guys that like them, and want to run an AAC can, but I would have liked to see a drop down menu with different options, including offerings from Surefire and SilencerCo for starters. That is one thing Noveske does not seem to do well on - options. You either like the way they think the rifle should be, or you can change it yourself. I'm sure part of it is cost, but people are willing to pay extra for extra options. They're already paying for a premium rifle.

    I like that they have switched to the Magpul STR stocks, but I wish they offered color options and the option to upgrade the buffer system to the Vltor A5. I also like the switch to the Raptor charging handle, but as previously mentioned think they should have incorporated other ambidextrous options as well (such as a BAD-CASS or even a full ambi lower), especially for the price. I would have also liked to see an option to delete the sights and save a few bucks. Not everyone wants Troy sights.

    Aside from that, I don't see a whole lot of major differences between the Gen II and Gen III rifles to justify the price jump... Same barrel offerings, same rails, same BCG, same trigger, non-ambi... Maybe it's just me?


    For me, it's all too little, too late anyway. I'm nearly done with a build I started earlier this year after coming to the conclusion that the Gen II's didn't offer everything I wanted either. At one point in time I was seriously considering laying down a stack of Benji's for a complete Noveske rifle, and then later on I almost decided to go with a complete Noveske upper. Now, the only Noveske components on my build are a Noveske QD endplate, Noveske NSR, and a Noveske 16" Recon barrel (which I am still searching for). Noveske has no trouble turning out excellent products, but it is unfortunate that they cannot solve their real problem - actually having rifles and components available for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    My Noveske 16" Recon upper was very well made, accurate and reliable. The barrel was a tack driver with standard ammo and served me well overseas.

    Are there are other barrels? Yep. Are some cheaper? Yep. Are some better? Maybe.
    I'm glad yours was a good one. I have heard their stainless barrels are good. Their CHF barrels had horrible POI shifts (4MOA for one, and 7-8 MOA for the other) with my Surefire, but they were accurate for me at least. The funky lowers were a source of issue (out of spec, fitment issues with one, feeding issues with the other), and it's my fault for choosing the VLTOR/VIS for an upper, won't make that mistake again. I take the blame for that choice.

    On another note, look at the "Johnny Rifle". That one looks like they used the good parts instead of the overweight proprietary spec stuff: http://shopnoveske.com/collections/r...s/johnny-rifle
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    How do you know that the barrel was the issue and not the can and or mount? I may be wrong, but I am fairly certain that their chrome lined barrels are made by FN. Noveske then does some final finishing in house.

    I actually kind of like the VIS. It's a little heavy but at the right price it's cheaper than a rail and upper in some cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    I'm glad yours was a good one. I have heard their stainless barrels are good. Their CHF barrels had horrible POI shifts (4MOA for one, and 7-8 MOA for the other) with my Surefire, but they were accurate for me at least. The funky lowers were a source of issue (out of spec, fitment issues with one, feeding issues with the other), and it's my fault for choosing the VLTOR/VIS for an upper, won't make that mistake again. I take the blame for that choice.

    On another note, look at the "Johnny Rifle". That one looks like they used the good parts instead of the overweight proprietary spec stuff: http://shopnoveske.com/collections/r...s/johnny-rifle



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    How do you know that the barrel was the issue and not the can and or mount? I may be wrong, but I am fairly certain that their chrome lined barrels are made by FN. Noveske then does some final finishing in house.
    Because I sent the whole contraption (complete upper and can) to Surefire and they ran multiple mounts and multiple cans on it, ran my can on multiple guns, etc. and it was definitely my Noveske upper that is the problem, as every can they had shot very low on my upper, and my can shot within 1MOA POA on/off on all of their uppers. Also, they changed mount types on my upper, tried the brake, tried the FH, etc. Same results each time. Every item was ruled out piece by piece. I cannot think of any other conclusion.
    I actually kind of like the VIS. It's a little heavy but at the right price it's cheaper than a rail and upper in some cases.
    The VIS/MUR is heavy, but you're right, it can be cheaper. However, you're stuck with it. It's made of 6601 instead of 7075, and if you bend the rail, well, that sucks...
    I bought the VIS/MUR because it was pretty and I bought into the "monolithic---strong like bull, nothing to loosen up!" mentality until I lugged it around all day and shot hundreds of rounds a day through it for a few week-ends. I then came to despise the extra weight. That's noone's fault but my own, though, I chose that upper and own that.

    The Gen II FFL lowers served to be nothing but issue after issue for me, causing misfeeds from Lancer AWM's, not accepting Gen 3 PMAG's (fixed later), and not adhering to mil-spec dimensions and not fitting some mil-spec uppers because of it.

    In short, gimme something that works vs. something that's pretty.

    A 7 pound 10.5" SBR with a match-grade heavy stainless barrel on it is just...??? Looks like a "Because I can and I wear Gucci socks, too!" type rifle rather than a useful working tool. I mean, it weighs within a few ounces or so empty of the HK416 10" with a loaded magazine, and it's a DI gun. Maybe I'm just bitter because of my poor experiences, but I can't see how that SBR or any of the overweight offerings are anything but show-pieces.

    The "Johnny Rifle" looks like solid work, what with the proper upper and lower and all, but the other stuff on their new page? Artwork first, problem solving tool second.
    Last edited by WS6; 11-01-13 at 07:35.

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    Call me a fanboy, but jeez, this isn't Burger King. You can't blame Noveske for putting together a complete offering and not being a completly custom shop. You complain about Noveske supply lagging behind damand but you would never see a product availible if every rifle was built to order. Now I know it is frustrating to spend that much money on a rifle and still have to dump loads into it to get it the way you want it, but if what Noveske offers is not worth it to you go see Grants BCM page start from there for $1k.

    WS6's problems are legit and his situation with getting screwed by CS is sad, but as unfortunate as his circumstance is, he is literally the only person I have heard of who had legit problems that didn't get taken care of.

    All I want to know is if the receivers are machined from billet or forgings.

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    Nice but the price. Pete
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