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I wonder if it's as borderline offensive as an out of spec NFA lower (and CS's offer to build me another upper on my dime "if I want to try out 300BLK" to custom match my out of spec lower (which they did not offer to look at), verified by Daniel Defense, who actually took the time to measure it, and attempt to put over half a dozen different uppers on, to no avail, discovering it outside of tolerance?)
I wonder if it's as borderline offensive as having consistent failures to feed on reloads using certain magazines (Lancer L5 AWM) because the proprietary lower is machined in such a way that magazines don't seat as deeply as normal real mil-spec lowers and the bolt catches the cartridge case much higher up, causing nose-dives/FTF every now and then? (I didn't even bother mentioning it once I was told that they would be happy to build an upper to fit my out of spec SBR lower, on my dime. What's a mag-reload failure every 500 rounds compared to that? Didn't mention it)
I wonder if it's as borderline offensive as a 4, and a 7-8 MOA POI shift (2 different rifles) with a known <1MOA shift producing suppressor (verified on multiple guns by Surefire)? (when asked about POI shift, I was told it's individual to each rifle, no, they throw away the Surefire beveled shim, Surefire re-installed the muzzle device correctly for me when they tested my upper and can, no, it did not fix it).
At what point...should I PERSONALLY be borderline offended by the performance of the products and company which I paid $2500/ea for which has never once offered to handle up on an issue, but has had two other companies personally trouble-shoot Noveske's product because of issues it's caused with THEIR products?
I'm there brother, I'm offended. YMMV, and yes, maybe I've...borderline offended some people. Sorry 'bout that, but I think $5K is enough of a ticket to pay to have been able to say been there, done that, and give an honest opinion of the experience. I think they are heavy Gucci products for people who care more about looks than real-world performance, and nothing is going to convince me that a 7 pound 10.5" DI gun is smart money being spent, and nothing is going to change my mind on the CS of that company, or their products, which I will quite happily call "gimmicky", given my own experiences.
I think that buying from THIS page would probably have solved a lot of the issues I have had, except for the CS, and if you want something with an iron cross, I strongly suggest it: http://shopnoveske.com/collections/rifles/gen-i
These are made from proper parts, and should avoid most, if not all of the "Gucci" issues my rifles had. Yes, I bought into the "looks" thing, no denying it, but I've learned a bit since then by actually shooting them. Their Gen 3 stuff? It's just heavier Gen II stuff. SSDD.
Last edited by WS6; 11-01-13 at 19:21.
That's tough luck on your part and unfortunate that Noveske is unable resolve the issue to your satisfaction. I still think it's a bit much comparing Noveske to a company like Red Jacket.
I have 2 Noveske (Gen 1 & 2 lower) rifles with a couple of thousand rounds between them with 0 issues.
Back on topic though I prefer the look of the MUR upper as someone else stated.
I like Noveske stuff, certainly the bling factor plays a role, but my Noveske runs well and my experiences with Noveske CS have all been positive. I don't mind the Gen III rifles, nor do I mind the price point, it is marginally higher than their previous rifles.
Will I buy a gen III rifle? No, my money is going to training and ammo, items that no expensive gun can replace.
Definitely not a fan of their new website but other than that I don't understand the complaints. Obviously their product sells at the prices they ask so you cant fault them for that. Really wish theyd do another run of 8.2 300blk barrels but other than that I cant fault them. I built my own noveske with a gen 2 lower, regular mur upper and 13.5 NSR. I built my rifle exactly how I wanted for a few hundred less than they sells their house built guns for. Not everyone wants to or can build their own and for the quality parts they put in their rifles the price is fairly close to what other top teir offerings run. At that price point 1-200 either way isn't a deal breaker IMO.
I like Noveske stuff, especially their barrels. Their new offerings look like nice guns, but if I'm going to spend money on complete factory builds at that price point, I'll choose KAC every time. With that said I'm very proud of my KAC/Noveske SBR build.
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I respect your opinion but I think you're over reaching a little bit. Other than going billet and switching the stock and charging handle what's really so "Gucci" about these gen 3's? This thing isn't much different than my gen 2 afghan rifle so I am not sure why you feel the way you do.
And seriously, I love me some Noveske but their old website was 100x more professional. They should've just moved that one to the new URL, and just thrown their new stuff on there.
This place has become ARFCOM, with typical bitching from people who should STFU because they have no idea what they are talking about.
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The gen I is considerably lighter, cheaper, and does the same thing. I have not seen a gen III lower in person, but my milspec lowers don't have the feeding issues that my gen II lowers did. I bet they are also more likely to be actual milspec compatible for those who may wish to use them on another upper.
Last edited by WS6; 11-03-13 at 01:28.
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