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    Quote Originally Posted by samuse View Post
    A CQB is a pretty 'tight' pistol, but I've never seen a so called tight 1911 not run because it was tight. 99% of problems are extractor/magazine related. An improperly fit/timed barrel can be problematic, but a properly hard fit barrel will run like a Swiss watch dirty or clean.

    I think the OP should put a little light grease on the lugs and disco head and slather the rest with a some good oil and try again. 'Breaking it in' dry or squirting Remoil on the gun is just not gonna cut it.
    I didn't intend to imply it misfed because it was tight. I am curious if a tight gun will foul faster and won't go as long between cleanings because gunk builds up quicker to "clog the works". I am wondering if the powder gunk acts to tolerance stack on the components, particularly the top end.

    Like I said just curious. The thing I've heard for years by a lot of 1911 mouths is that high end custom pistols have tight tolerances to improve accuracy but sacrifice reliability. I'd like to see Mr Bell's WC debunk that.

    Again, and not to be overly-persistent about this, a Wilson Combat 1911 is neither too tight, nor too loose, nor too anything else. You cannot expect any 1911 (and most especially a new one) to perform effectively if you try to run it dry. It is just one of the idiocyncracies of the gun.
    Oh sure, it needs lube, no doubt about it. I'd like to see it kept lubed to see how dirty it'll run.

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    Shorts,
    We see more problems from guns that are too DRY, than too dirty. One of the places that fouling build up over time can hurt functioning is crud building up in the extractor channel, keeping the extractor from flexing properly. This generally takes many, many hundreds of rounds, generally cast lead reloads. That is a problem whether the gun is a super "loose" gun, or a gun built to closer tolerances.

    We are not fans of RemOil, as it is very thin, and more importantly, evaporates quickly. We obviously have lube that we prefer, but there are many good ones out there. The fact that you are keeping the blaster well lubed, if more important than which lube.

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    Greg, please continue on your path. Your ability to tolerate the hecklers is quite amazing. Im impressed.

    You and the W-rep discuss the extractor channel, can you take a pic of this when it gets nasty. Any education on this area would be appreciated. I had guns with several thousand rounds and don't know how to clean it more than a field strip. Markm has been kind enough to occasionally clean mine properly. Im a bore snake-lube guy and occasionally a field strip to de-gunk it. I ran my TRP for over 5K without cleaning this channel, without malfunction , but when it got cleaned I was like WTF is that ?

    I too have seen the thumb safeties come in with a wide variety of fitting variances, on nice 1911's. Interesting you make this point.

    Several mentioned the reasons for malfunction, I had a high end 1911 that would start to fail after 100 rounds. The nose on the round would not feed up, and a tap would get it there. Point is, there is no "this is what causes malfunctions", every 1911 has its own grace and may have its own issues.

    Great thread as usual, great gun, glad you decided to get on the Wilson to test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsoncombatrep View Post
    Shorts,
    We see more problems from guns that are too DRY, than to dirty. One of the places that fouling build up over time can hurt functioning is crud building up in the extractor channel, keeping the extractor from flexing properly. This generally takes many, many hundreds of rounds, generally cast lead reloads. That is a problem whether the gun is a super "loose" gun, or a gun built to closer tolerances.
    Thanks WCR. It's good to hear that direct.


    Greg, am I heckler? If so, I apologize. Not my intention. My curiosities in these tests are always in the "anatomy and physiology" of a system. It's just how my brain enjoys these things.

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    Might just be my meds, and I really don't want this to go sideways, but almost nothing about the contents of this page have anything to do it the Wilson Combat, the "break my CQB Elite test" or this particular pistol, and I really don't want to see this color the discussion any further than necessary as we go forward.

    Look at the photos. There is no oil on the gun. It's not a fouling issue. It's not a cleaning issue. It's not a tolerances issue. It's not even that the gun is new. I feel badly that WCR is even having to weigh-in here, because there is nothing to defend or explain; merely a bit of missing knowledge to impart.

    If you want to be a 1911 guy, then you need to understand that there are a couple of things that you need to stay on top of in order to get consistent performance from the gun -- no matter who made it.

    One is to use good quality magazines.

    The other is to keep it well-oiled. Always. I'm talking "visibly wet" here.

    If you've ever watched Larry Vickers prep a 1911 for a shooting session, then you've probably have to stifle some laughter, because you're going to see lube dripping all over the ground by the time he's satisfied. Some would call that a clue.

    Get yourself a quart of Mobil 1 and a GI toothbrush. Put them on the shooting bench with your ammo. Apply oil liberally. Shoot like a champ. Repeat every few hundred rounds. But please, no more photos of bone-dry 1911s. Those keep me up at night.

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    Hahah. The gun is lubed now! And yes, it was screechy dry.

    Let's be clear though, the reason the gun was dry was because I was conducting the break-in recommended by the manufacturer. You are to shoot 3-500 rounds before any disassembly to allow all the contact surfaces to seat. Anyone who has seen my guns knows I keep my guns sloppy wet. And for the last time, cleaning and lubrication "cured" the non-problem.

    Also, the Wilson is not super-tight. There really is no other word than perfect. I have had super-tight 1911s and I have had GI loose 1911s. This gun is perfectly fitted. The slide rolls perfectly with no resistance-and no play. Everything from the thumb safety to the grip safety to the trigger is perfect. Essentially, the set-up of the gun is ideal. I was going back and forth on the fiber optic front sight, but now that I have CT grips, it doesn't make sense to compromise the front sight with something less visible.
    If you aren't armed when you take a dump in your own home then your opinion on what is a practical daily carry weapon isn't interesting to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post
    Might just be my meds, and I really don't want this to go sideways, but almost nothing about the contents of this page have anything to do it the Wilson Combat, the "break my CQB Elite test" or this particular pistol, and I really don't want to see this color the discussion any further than necessary as we go forward.

    Look at the photos. There is no oil on the gun. It's not a fouling issue. It's not a cleaning issue. It's not a tolerances issue. It's not even that the gun is new. I feel badly that WCR is even having to weigh-in here, because there is nothing to defend or explain; merely a bit of missing knowledge to impart.

    If you want to be a 1911 guy, then you need to understand that there are a couple of things that you need to stay on top of in order to get consistent performance from the gun -- no matter who made it.

    One is to use good quality magazines.

    The other is to keep it well-oiled. Always. I'm talking "visibly wet" here.

    If you've ever watched Larry Vickers prep a 1911 for a shooting session, then you've probably have to stifle some laughter, because you're going to see lube dripping all over the ground by the time he's satisfied. Some would call that a clue.

    Get yourself a quart of Mobil 1 and a GI toothbrush. Put them on the shooting bench with your ammo. Apply oil liberally. Shoot like a champ. Repeat every few hundred rounds. But please, no more photos of bone-dry 1911s. Those keep me up at night.

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    With all due respect, I think some 1911's have to be sloppy wet and some don't. Its not really an excuse for the gun not to run. If it needs that much lube, I don't want to own it. I don't believe its true based on my experience with 8 or so $1,200 plus 1911's. I am notorious for running all my guns too dry, some lube but too dry by AC/Vickers standards.

    To each his own, but I don't run mine that different from Greg, so I appreciate his approach. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, this is mine, I don't need sloppy wet 1911's to get 100% reliability from my guns. Maybe I'm lucky.

    It is a convenient excuse for a $2,500 gun not to run. Just my opinion.

    PB
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    Greg,
    I broke mine in the same way as you except I shot 1400 without breaking it down for cleaning. I just would lock the slide to the rear and pour it in from the back of the slide. The reason for doing this is somewhat of a lapping method. The lube mixes with unburnt powder and breaks the gun in. I doubt that running it without lube for the break in would hurt much of anything because there guns are built like tanks but I could see how running it with little to no lube could create pre mature wear and unnecessary stress on the gun.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Bell View Post
    Hahah. The gun is lubed now! And yes, it was screechy dry.

    Let's be clear though, the reason the gun was dry was because I was conducting the break-in recommended by the manufacturer. You are to shoot 3-500 rounds before any disassembly to allow all the contact surfaces to seat. Anyone who has seen my guns knows I keep my guns sloppy wet. And for the last time, cleaning and lubrication "cured" the non-problem.

    Also, the Wilson is not super-tight. There really is no other word than perfect. I have had super-tight 1911s and I have had GI loose 1911s. This gun is perfectly fitted. The slide rolls perfectly with no resistance-and no play. Everything from the thumb safety to the grip safety to the trigger is perfect. Essentially, the set-up of the gun is ideal. I was going back and forth on the fiber optic front sight, but now that I have CT grips, it doesn't make sense to compromise the front sight with something less visible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pappabear View Post
    It is a convenient excuse for a $2,500 gun not to run. Just my opinion.
    Will gladly meet you on the middle ground here PB, as I think we're probably both overstating things here ever-so-slightly to communicate some larger points.

    I don't really run 1911s with heavy lube; especially once they've been broken-in appropriately. There is generally no need to take things quite that far, though I will definitely err on the side of keeping one wet, as opposed to letting one run dry. No need for extremes, but I do think it is important to drive home this point that you are not setting a 1911 up for success if you don't pay at least some attention to this, as is it just one of the inherent characteristics of the gun.

    Truth is, I'm not sure why any of this should catch anyone by surprise, as it would make no sense to try to run (much less break-in) an AR/M4 in bone-dry state, either. We certainly wouldn't expect such a rifle to work very well at all, so I'm not sure why we would expect a 1911 to fare any better. We can surely talk about tolerances and cleaning practices and such as things progress, but you aren't conducting a fair evaluation if you start off your testing in Ezekiel's Valley of the Dry Bones.

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    Agreed
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