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Thread: Project: Break my Wilson Combat CQB Elite

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    Greg,
    Have a big time tomorrow. Please don't be "that guy" and have a dry 1911. Last time I saw that happen in one of Ken's classes, he had my raise the hood on my F150, and he lubed "That Guy's" blaster with the dipstick! Remember, the rain will wash off your lube faster than normal......

    Yes, a day on the range with Ken is a good day indeed.....please tell him I said hello!
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    No way! I like my guns prison style: dry and dirty.
    If you aren't armed when you take a dump in your own home then your opinion on what is a practical daily carry weapon isn't interesting to me.

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    You fools have fun...the forecast has improved....wish I could have made it
    "Bones Heal, Chics Dig Scars, Pain Goes Away"

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    I cannot wait for pics and stories! I love this thread keep up the good work Greg.
    We get it, you're a HSLD operator who knows what's what and wants everyone else to know that you know that we know that you know what's up. ~ elricfate

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    5025 (est 350-400 rounds GA arms reloads during Hackathorn class)

    Had a great time during the Ken Hackathorn pistol class. As I noted before, Easter prevented me from doing the second day. I wish I could have, but I have taken the class twice before, so I pretty much know the "drill." In fact, most of the drills in the class I have incorporated into my weekend training (I refer to them as my "Hack" drills).


    Ken Hackathorn, for those of you heathens who don't know, is a legend in training and gun circles. He has been doing this since the 70s, and either created or had a serious hand in creating most forms of firearms training and competition. Little known fact, he basically created three gun. I myself noticed him back when I was a kid reading stuff like Soldier of Fortune. Although I have trained with a lot of different instructors, Ken is still my favorite. His mix of skill drills and theory/history is perfect. And, like all the best teachers, he has no noticible ego. He doesn't say you have to do it his way, he is the first to acknowledge there might be a better way and he would love to know what it is.


    The class started out with fundamentals. Basically, he wants to see if you can keep everything in the A zone. The class was filled with old timers so we moved through this stuff fairly quickly. We did a little practice with empty cases on our front sights, which is always a good way to detect jerking the trigger or "El Snatcho" as LAV used to say. After all these years, I am always the same, when I start a class, my technique is usually perfect--it is only after a bunch of drills that El Snatcho sneaks up on me.

    One of the other great things about Ken is he is totally agnostic as to foot placement, grip, etc. Basically, he goes through the different types and says figure it out for yourself. I have been in classes where the instructors INSISTED on you doing it this and that way and it is usually a recipe for poor performance and mental fatigue. Ken figures if you managed to get to him you are probably OK. He does recommend that you fight from the position that
    gives you the best balance.

    Most of the drills in the class I have listed before in my thread. Over the years I have sort of incorporated them into my weekend training. We also ran some Bill drills and El Pres drills. During his, a partner would download your mags to 7-10 rounds so that you had to do your reload at some unpredictable time during the drills. We did these individually on a timer.

    Here are some loose training tidbits from the class....

    Ken stresses shooting on the move. He incorporates movement into a lot of his drills. He thought it was wisest to (a) keep your body forward so that if you were wearing body armor you wouldn't expose an unarmored side, and if you weren't it is still better to be shot front to back than side to side and (b) absolutely don't cross your feet. He acknowledged that turning your body might improve your scores, but didn't believe it was worth the added risk.

    Ken wants you to make sure that you are actually looking during your post shoot scan. He would say "look for the bullet holes in the target next to you" or other things to keep you mentally on task. He stressed that you want to keep your gun either lowered slightly or drawn to your body in such a way that it is ready to go, but not blocking your ability to see people's hands.

    During the night shooting portion, which is always my favorite type of training, we practiced most of the different types of handheld light techniques (Harries, Rogers, "shoot me in the face" light beside the head/ strong hand, etc). During this he also stressed the need to move and keep your light off. The most useful drill was probably the a. flash the target, b. step at least two steps in one direction, c. fire two shots into the target, d. step two more steps. Basically, you want to keep your handheld light on for as short a period as possible, but long enough to ID the threat.


    Ken, again, bemoaned the "Lumens Wars" among the big flashlight guys. He noted that most of the weapons lights were getting so powerful they were actually a liability, especially for indoor use. He quoted Super Dave Harrington as saying "I want to ID the threat, not give the guy a sun tan." Basically, these monster flashlights are going to blind their users indoors as they go from no light to supernova flash reflecting off the white walls inside most structures. A 100 lumen light is about right.

    Obviously, a weapon-mounted light is preferred. He noted though, that you still needed a handheld and need to know how to use them.



    Other tidbits....

    Ken noted that, while we are living in a Glock and 9mm world, that he now sees as many problems with Glocks as he does 1911s. He wasn't particularly kind to the M&P either. He said that the only standard combat autoloader that you could trust out of the box was the Beretta 92f (although he added that the Walther and the HK P30 were top drawer--noting that Walther USA were horrible at marketing, but had a great product).

    Ken said he usually takes Glocks to training classes because thats what his students have. He personally carries a 1911.

    He noted that high-capacity is obviously desirable in a gun (joking that nobody ever takes a gun to John Harrison and asks that it be made to carry fewer rounds). That being said, he noted that in his years of training top-drawer units the guys with single stacks were consistently better shooters. He noted that people with high capacity handguns might simply be less careful, assuming that capacity would make up for a lack of precision.

    Hackathorn pointed out that the whole riding the reset technique was developed by police instructors (he admitted he had briefly fell for it himself) to improve their student's scores on qualifications with Glock pistols. He pointed out that doing so was not a good idea for actual combat shooting. Obviously, the trigger needs to reset during recoil--you should not wait in between shots.

    He pointed out that there isn't a whole lot of difference the performance of the various calibers. He said that he believed the .45 to have an advantage, but its cost might make it wiser to shoot 9mm if it would mean you would practice more.

    Ken got on to me for my habit of carrying my spare mag in my front pocket. He pointed out that mags have a nasty habit of migrating to awkward positions.

    He also poo-pooed the idea that a carrying a high capacity handgun negated the need for a spare mag.

    He said that HK's new striker pistol would be out soon, and that HK USA and HK Germany were actually fighting over what to name it.

    Ken's theory is that you should not fight from the interior of your car "The first one to the pavement wins." Basically, he said the person outside of the car had a nearly insurmountable advantage so the best thing to do was leave or get out.

    Not a lot of photos because I was busy learnin' and it was raining most of the time.

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    If you aren't armed when you take a dump in your own home then your opinion on what is a practical daily carry weapon isn't interesting to me.

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    I own and shoot glock, sig,HK, as well as my 1911's. Yes my 1911's are more expensive but I've had more consistent problems with my glocks then my 1911's. I have never had a "perfect" gun, that hasn't hiccup'd for one reason or another. As a shooter being able to diagnose issues is big, cleanliness, mag issues, lack of lube, or too much, etc. I'm not going to get into this debate but shoot what you like, i like them all for different reasons. I personally won't go any smaller then a commander with 1911's so for small carry guns i go glock/HK/kahr etc. They all have their place. I really want to make one of Ken's classes, sadly have never had the pleasure, sounds like a great time.
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    Thanks for the aar. Hope Rich got some "range" pics.

    ...nice Bronco
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    There was some dude there with heavy duty camera gear.

    Thanks on the Bronco. I told my wife, if I ever wanted to attract the attention of old dudes the Bronco was it. Girls think it is a jeep. LOL
    If you aren't armed when you take a dump in your own home then your opinion on what is a practical daily carry weapon isn't interesting to me.

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    Greg, thanks very much for passing on Mr Hackathorn's observations. I had to back out of one of his classes last year due to a broken wrist and ankle, and was terribly pissed at myself for that.

    What a great way to spend a Saturday!

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    Rocketman:

    I only took two cell phone pictures. Like Greg said, a professional photographer was in the class and he took hundreds of pictures. I will post the link to his site when he has them uploaded.

    Greg's impromptu AAR is spot on. The class was one of the best if not the best one that Ken did for me. He started day one in the drizzling rain with the warm up drills and ended the class with the grand finale. I am sadden that this may be the last class Ken will do for me as he stated that he is seriously thinking about retiring after this year.

    I shot my M&P Shield in the morning session of day 1, I am very impressed with the little gun. I did not shoot one round out of the -0 zone of the IDPA target. In the afternoon session and night shooting portion, I went to the Walther PPQ. It handled itself real well and proved that it is a serious contender as a carry and self defense gun.

    On day two I shot the new CZ P07 that I picked up last Thursday. Like I stated in another post, several highly experienced shooters were impressed with the balance and the wonderful DA trigger. The lack of recoil and the accuracy impressed everyone including Ken. We shot the TEST twice, the first one I totally flopped, but I made it up in the second one and shot it clean. In the grand finale, I used the Colt 1911 that John Harrison did his magic on. BTW, John was in the class and he only shot his M&Ps, the Shield in the morning of day 1 and full size M&P the rest of the class. I've known John for almost 20 years, the man can pick up any gun and shoot it well.

    There were 18 shooters which included two Federal agents, one retired cop, one active cop who just came straight from the Rogers Shooting School which he scored Advanced, two former USPSA Masters (one shot in the World shoot in the 80's, a doctor and his son, one insurance executive, two tactical lawyers and two tactical engineers. One of the students was female, she shot really well.

    I chickened out and didn't use my J frame. The class was pretty fast paced so I thought running the J frame would put me too far behind.

    If you have to put a compensator on a 9mm, maybe you should buy panties instead of briefs - Ken Hackathorn via Facebook live

    Liking a Glock is a version of Stockholm Syndrome. Nobody likes it but they get use to it in time - Countless Victims

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