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    A bit off topic, but my experience has been stainless 1911s' need to be lubed more frequently than a carbon steel 1911 to run as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Bell View Post
    Hahah. The gun is lubed now! And yes, it was screechy dry.

    Let's be clear though, the reason the gun was dry was because I was conducting the break-in recommended by the manufacturer. You are to shoot 3-500 rounds before any disassembly to allow all the contact surfaces to seat.
    Obviously it doesn't have to be disassembled to lube. So you're saying Wilson recommends you run it bone dry for the first 3-500... Interesting
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    Just to be clear, we recommend not stripping and cleaning the gun for the first 3-500 rounds. We DO NOT recommend not lubing the gun during this period. We lube the guns before they leave us, but some guns may sit on shelves for sometime before they are shot. We want the guns lubed well, especially during initial break in. This can be accomplished without stripping the gun. However, what Greg has done is not going to have caused damage in the few hundred rounds he fired, but I feel that the couple of malfunctions he experienced were due, from what I can tell over the interwebs, by lack of lubrication( not fouling). This just tells Greg that gun needs lube, not that there possibly is a problem with the gun. Here is a WC Youtube covering lubrication of the 1911 ....



    http://youtu.be/Bed5LNStGLU

    Guys, again, a properly set up 1911 doesn't need to be as clean, as much as it needs to be lubricated. You can continue to put the lube into a dirty 1911, and it will keep running for quite sometime. I firmly believe that one of the reasons that some guns get labeled as being sensitive to fouling, is that when you shoot enough to burn the lube off and the gun malfunctions, the gun is generally a bit fouled. So what does your typical shooter do, he cleans the gun, and applies fresh lube during re-assembly. Wha-Lah! the gun runs again......but not from the lack of fouling, but the addition of lube!

    Now, back to Mr Bell, and your regularly scheduled program.....
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    Yep, keep it lube and it will run and run and run.

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    Gentlemen,


    I shot three hundred more rounds through "Ruby" today. 200 rounds of Georgia Arms and one hundred rounds of Winchester "white box." The gun has been properly cleaned and lubricated and, as expected, the gun functioned perfectly. Since I don't reload any longer, my buddy Dan hovered around licking his chops at his weekly haul of .45 brass.

    I started the day shooting from concealment. It was a bit cold out so I was wearing a hoodie. It is always interesting to see how people practice. I often see folks just go to the range and shoot round after round from full magazines. Usually they are leaning against the bench and shooting at short range. I have no idea why you would lean against the bench, but the excuse for the 21 feet shooting is usually that "most gunfights take place at that range." I disagree. You should (1) shoot on a timer, (2) shoot from concealment, (3) shoot from awkward positions, and (4) shoot far enough away to be outside of your comfort zone. But I digress....

    Anyway, I started out shooting from twenty one feet. I draw fire one shot, then two, then three. I then do it at 30 feet. Then I swap back and forth between the two between shots. Then, using the same pattern, I practiced shooting on the move forward, then backwards, then left, then right. I then followed it up with box drills. Finally, practiced barricade shooting working on my knee placement. Next, I practiced shooting at the 50 and 75 yard gongs. A lot of times during the earlier drills I will take a wild shot at the 75 yard gong as my third shot of the group. I also practiced weak and strong hand shooting. Once the range cleared out I practiced point blank shooting. Basically, I get right up on the target and draw the gun, dumping it while walking backwards sideways. Much fun.

    After last weeks 500 round dry torture test Ruby was obviously quite happy to have had a bath. She ran smoothly and without incident.

    I brought out my three favorite .45s for a little comparison:




    There is no question that the 1911 is, by far, the most shootable of the three. It's combination of lightweight trigger, matchless ergonomics, heavy frame and long sight radius make the gun an absolute breeze to shoot well. It is hard to put into words. the best way I can say it is the other two guns feel like tools where the 1911 feels like an instrument.

    Our friendly neighborhood Wilson Combat Rep was kind enough to send me some proper lube. Apparently the folks at headquarters were horrified at my mistreatment of of Ruby and had to decide between launching a rescue mission and sending lube. They decided on the later...for now.

    Just kidding, they did send me some great lube, a work mat and some test ammo. After the gun passes the 1000 round mark next week I will do some accuracy testing with various loads.

    They also sent me two new mags with the flatware springs that I will try out after I get one of the two current mags to fail. Again, my plan is to shoot the test with the two included mags until I detect an issue. Could be never. The Wilson Combat gun blanket in the background came with the gun.

    I should pass the 1000 round mark next weekend. I am going to try and run 400 rounds through the gun on Friday and Sunday. My plan is to run some comparison drills on a timer from concealment.

    If you aren't armed when you take a dump in your own home then your opinion on what is a practical daily carry weapon isn't interesting to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Bell View Post
    ..... the best way I can say it is the other two guns feel like tools where the the 1911 feels like an instrument.

    .......
    Nicely put.

    And that's very kind of Wilson to send you some gear. Please let us know your observations on the new flat-wire mags, I'm particularly interested in how those perform. I've been using nothing but Wilson mags in 1911's for as long as I can remember.

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    Congrats.

    Now you can get rid of them other two clunky plastic things and buy more ammo for the nice gun that's actually fun to shoot.

    I rid myself of every POS plastic, DA/SA, 'duty' type pistol and spent the load on 45 ammo.

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    Same here, well partly. After buying every gun I lusted over the last 3 years, I've ended up with so many different platforms, I'm proficient in none. I'm selling all my pistols and consolidating on 1911's and Glocks, and even then, only keeping the ones I actually shoot.

    And then I'm buying more ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng208 View Post
    Greg, if you really want to break it, just let your buddy Shane shoot it. He can break an iron anvil with a rubber mallet!
    That's a badass dude

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    1100 (200 rounds Winchester White Box)

    Closed up shop early today and ran out to the range. 200 rounds of WWB down range. Usual drills with a focus on double taps from concealment. It was very cold today so all my practice was with a heavy coat. It is very important to practice with realistic clothing. Nothing is more entertaining that watching guys show up to the range with drop-leg holsters dressed up in contractor gear.

    The gun is now past the 1000 round mark.


    Does anyone have any recommendations for interesting drills that don't require expensive equipment? I do a lot of shooting on the move and other stuff but I am looking to shake things up.
    If you aren't armed when you take a dump in your own home then your opinion on what is a practical daily carry weapon isn't interesting to me.

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