Is FN preparing to release their own AR?

[HackerF15E]

KevinB himself is a pretty good source.

Okay, I'll be more specific: a written, quotable document that shows that Colt no longer "owns" the TDP.

[AMMOTECH]

Oh nice. I would want a mid length or rifle.
I wonder if they are making those in Columbia or Virginia.

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Columbia.

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[Grand58742]

In reading this thread, I've seen a lot of nitpicking done without anyone actually putting hands on yet. I can see some even looking at a picture and making assumptions of quality. Like that's a good indicator of how the newest AR to the market will perform.

Anyway, here's the big question that nobody seems to have asked. Does anyone here think a company like FNH is going to put out a garbage weapon? They have a good track record so far and is there any reason to think they are suddenly going to drop their standards because....why?

[Casull]

My only concern would be if FN made the minor mistake of going M4 on us instead of releasing something else like an M16 style 20" rifle. Carbines are the common workhorse, but rifles could do with having a firmer place in the civilian world. Just my bit on that one.

[scottryan]

In reading this thread, I've seen a lot of nitpicking done without anyone actually putting hands on yet. I can see some even looking at a picture and making assumptions of quality. Like that's a good indicator of how the newest AR to the market will perform.

Anyway, here's the big question that nobody seems to have asked. Does anyone here think a company like FNH is going to put out a garbage weapon? They have a good track record so far and is there any reason to think they are suddenly going to drop their standards because....why?

Given the current management at some gun companies now days anything is possible.

The points I brought up are 100% factual and indicate a commercial hobby grade gun. I don't need to hold it or shoot it to make these comments.

[tylerw02]

It would be ironic if they just sold rebranded PSA guns.


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[discreet]

Technically its the IP agreement with the USG.

Colt does not own the M4 TDP anymore. However the agreement with the USG is that the data is only for use for a USG contract - not commercial sales.
IF FN was to pursue commercial sales, they would need to negotiate with Colt unless they could explain the difference in their guns (and where prepared to do so in court). FN has been building M16A3 and M16A4 rifles (next to no A3 guns - Full Auto with A2 Upper) so they could build rifles easily - the issue would be the carbine.
That said a 16" barrel and semi-auto lower is quite a difference from a 14.5" full auto M4A1.

This is actually pretty interesting. The Colt ads in a few gun mags all state the consumer Colt ar's are made with the same Colt owned TDP, on the same line as their Military counterparts. I'll see if I can find a pic to paste here.

[3ACR_Scout]

This is actually pretty interesting. The Colt ads in a few gun mags all state the consumer Colt ar's are made with the same Colt owned TDP, on the same line as their Military counterparts. I'll see if I can find a pic to paste here.

I believe what Kevin meant was that other manufacturers can only use the TDP for USG contracts, according to the agreement. Since it's Colt's design, they are free to continue using it for any of their rifles.

Dave

[Iraqgunz]

Colt can do what they want since it's their IP. I might be wrong, but that is how I understand it. But, I do not believe they are made on the same lines.

This is actually pretty interesting. The Colt ads in a few gun mags all state the consumer Colt ar's are made with the same Colt owned TDP, on the same line as their Military counterparts. I'll see if I can find a pic to paste here.

[Grand58742]

Given the current management at some gun companies now days anything is possible.

The points I brought up are 100% factual and indicate a commercial hobby grade gun. I don't need to hold it or shoot it to make these comments.

You are correct, you don't need to hold it or shoot it to make comments about it being nothing more than a weekend Coke can blaster.

Honestly, anything you said should be taken with a grain of salt since you are looking at photos from a third party website and you haven't actually handled said carbine yourself. You can make the judgment all day long about how it "sucks," but how can anyone take you seriously unless you've actually got hands on yourself?