Is FN preparing to release their own AR?

[goodwitwood]

You are correct, you don't need to hold it or shoot it to make comments about it being nothing more than a weekend Coke can blaster.

Honestly, anything you said should be taken with a grain of salt since you are looking at photos from a third party website and you haven't actually handled said carbine yourself. You can make the judgment all day long about how it "sucks," but how can anyone take you seriously unless you've actually got hands on yourself?

You have a good point but most have their minds made up. If it's not X, then it's crap.

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[C4IGrant]

In reading this thread, I've seen a lot of nitpicking done without anyone actually putting hands on yet. I can see some even looking at a picture and making assumptions of quality. Like that's a good indicator of how the newest AR to the market will perform.

Anyway, here's the big question that nobody seems to have asked. Does anyone here think a company like FNH is going to put out a garbage weapon? They have a good track record so far and is there any reason to think they are suddenly going to drop their standards because....why?

You are right. We have not held this gun. Here is what we do know though:

1. FN cannot use the TDP in any way, knowledge gained, programming in machines setup to make parts for the Military or anything related to it.

2. FN has been buying parts throughout the industry. This substantiates #1.

3. The retail prices I have seen listed for these FN guns a VERY low. As a Distributor for such companies as Colt, S&W, BCM, Noveske, etc I know what what good guns cost to produce. You cannot retail an AR for $800 and have Distributor sales in there (which FN does) without cutting some corners.

I will be at Shot and will look this gun over (and possibly take it apart if they let me) so I hope to know more and will report back. From the looks of things though, this gun will most likely be somewhere between a S&W M&P and a PSA AR. Is that bad? No, not at all. Is it a Colt? No.



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[C4IGrant]

You are correct, you don't need to hold it or shoot it to make comments about it being nothing more than a weekend Coke can blaster.

Honestly, anything you said should be taken with a grain of salt since you are looking at photos from a third party website and you haven't actually handled said carbine yourself. You can make the judgment all day long about how it "sucks," but how can anyone take you seriously unless you've actually got hands on yourself?

To be brutally honest, fit and finish means nothing (which is how most people are going to judge an AR). This is all you are going to get by "getting your hands on it." What needs to be looked at is the quality of the parts (materials used, testing done and if the TDP was used to make the parts).

I am familiar with a lot of the AR parts manufacturers and should be able to spot some common parts, but I cannot tell whether it was HPT/MPI'd, gas port size, chamber specs, metals used, etc.



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[quaesitor logica]

It would be ironic if they just sold rebranded PSA guns.


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Being that they already make lowers and barrels for them, it would not be stretch of the imagination. If the FN carbine are equal in quality to a premium PSA offering and Colts 6920 then the price is ok. I hope the fit and finish is better than Colts though.

[tylerw02]

Having both Colt and Premium PSA, the Colt is much better. The finish is nicer on PSA, but that doesn't really matter IMO.

I wouldn't doubt that they form some kind of partnership to get this done, however.


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[quaesitor logica]

Having both Colt and Premium PSA, the Colt is much better. The finish is nicer on PSA, but that doesn't really matter IMO.

I wouldn't doubt that they form some kind of partnership to get this done, however.


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The only thing I found better on Colts is the RE and BCG. I have had Colts and until a year ago my issued longarm was a Colt. One thing that was apparent to me was that blemishes that would not make it past civilian brands Q.C like PSA regularly made it onto Colts civilian offerings. Not all Colts are blemished but you gotta look for the ones that aren't. I just hope FN will maintain Colt mechanical quality with PSA finish quality.

[Renegade]

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[Iraqgunz]

Are you saying that FN is making PSA lowers? I am pretty sure that they aren't. I would also like to know where you heard this.

Being that they already make lowers and barrels for them, it would not be stretch of the imagination. If the FN carbine are equal in quality to a premium PSA offering and Colts 6920 then the price is ok. I hope the fit and finish is better than Colts though.

[C4IGrant]

The only thing I found better on Colts is the RE and BCG. I have had Colts and until a year ago my issued longarm was a Colt. One thing that was apparent to me was that blemishes that would not make it past civilian brands Q.C like PSA regularly made it onto Colts civilian offerings. Not all Colts are blemished but you gotta look for the ones that aren't. I just hope FN will maintain Colt mechanical quality with PSA finish quality.

Colt only knows how to build guns one way (to Military Spec). The US Govt does not care if there is a ding or a scratch on the the gun.

I know some Civy's are offended, upset or annoyed with my above comments, but it is the truth. If you want a safe queen, are OCD or a collector, NEVER buy a Colt.



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[tylerw02]

The first time I use them, they are dinged. Doesn't bother me at all. I don't know how indicative of quality it is but the springs in PSAs aren't the same. Some of the lower parts are different as well.


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