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[WillBrink]

Snus has a DECREASED risk of oral cancer, not zero risk, and there is a statistically increased risk of pancreatic cancer. The only good thing you can say about Snus is that it's healthier than smoking. And note that the American brands of "snus" may not be processed in the same way as the Swedish brands, may have higher levels of nitrosamines and armomatic hydrocarbons, and be as dangerous as snuf.

Oral cancer is a bitch. I've taken care of patients with it, and I've had it myself.

What's your thoughts on the E cigs? For smokers, seem a far better choice even if it does not lead to them quitting. They get the nicotine minus many of the compounds best avoided in cigs it seems. Some do use them to quite (slowly titrating the dose of nicotine over time then stopping) but some are using them an alternative to smoking. Also makes life easier for everyone around them on the second hand smoke issues.

Chew not not in hailed probably not good fit as a replacement. I'd guess the issues of chew are similar to smoking in that there's both the actual drug component (nicotine) and the tactile/physical components, Some of the E cigs even light up on the end when you take a drag.

[WillBrink]

I've quit dipping a hundred times, this time I'm done dammit. I just turned 36 years old and haven't had a dip since Wednesday, my 36th birthday. I'm a healthy young man but addicted to the Copenhagen like crack. Doesn't help that work is the absolute nuttiest it has ever been. This sucks balls. Never thought a substance could hold my nuts in a vice.

Anyway. Start the new P90X3 workout tomorrow. Hope that gives me something to focus on.

Any support is appreciated. Dammit I want a dip!

What about nicotine gum? Not the same thing for sure, but it's chewing on something and getting nicotine.

[Hmac]

I think E-cigarrettes are fine as a transition to quitting altogether. Generally, substituting one addiction for another, even a less dangerous one, is a crutch that will end up biting you in the ass if you don't use it as a transition with a goal of eliminating.

[SteveS]

A few years ago the Farrier was shoeing my daughters horse when he took a dip. I askes about it and he said try some, I took a wad and stuck it between my cheeks and gums as instructed and started to feeling sick but I held it in then started feeling woozie then laid on the ground in a fetal position for about 20 minutes. Don't like the stuff!

[dash1]

I've known several people that died from smoking. The crying, wishing, lamenting, and regret they expressed when they knew they were terminal!

I know two people that had oral cancer from snuff, one started dipping again about a month after oral surgery. Oh and the irony of how dippers will look down on smokers because their habit doesn't bother others like second hand smoke does.

And yes, the cigarettes are making you cough, it's not some mysterious ailment the experts haven't figured out yet.

[ptmccain]

Here is a suggestion for anyone who is considering giving up dipping, chewing or smoking:

If you can find a survivor of a radical neck dissection and radiation treatments. Go visit him. Just take a good, long, hard look at the pitiful man.

That may convince to quit now before it is too late.

[Trajan]

Snus has a DECREASED risk of oral cancer, not zero risk, and there is a statistically increased risk of pancreatic cancer. The only good thing you can say about Snus is that it's healthier than smoking. And note that the American brands of "snus" may not be processed in the same way as the Swedish brands, may have higher levels of nitrosamines and armomatic hydrocarbons, and be as dangerous as snuf.

Oral cancer is a bitch. I've taken care of patients with it, and I've had it myself.

Everything I have seen has shown a minimal increase in risk of pancreatic cancer, and no increase in oral cancer than non-users.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17498797

http://www.tobaccoprogram.org/pdf/TC12349.pdf

Could you please provide me with the studies you have seen showing an increase in oral cancer?

And yes, the "American" snus is garbage. Technically dip is American snus (brought over by Swedish immigrants). Dip is fermented instead of steam pasteurized like snus (which kills the nitrites).

[WillBrink]

Here is a suggestion for anyone who is considering giving up dipping, chewing or smoking:

If you can find a survivor of a radical neck dissection and radiation treatments. Go visit him. Just take a good, long, hard look at the pitiful man.

That may convince to quit now before it is too late.

I'll do you one better. I went to visit my mother in the hospital after throat cancer and radical neck surgery and stoma. She asked for a pen and pad. She wrote something and handed it to me. It read:

"F-ing cigarettes!"

RIP ma.

[ptmccain]

I'll do you one better. I went to visit my mother in the hospital after throat cancer and radical neck surgery and stoma. She asked for a pen and pad. She wrote something and handed it to me. It read:

"F-ing cigarettes!"

RIP ma.

There you go.....my sympathies, bro. Awful way to die.

[ptmccain]

Everything I have seen has shown a minimal increase in risk of pancreatic cancer, and no increase in oral cancer than non-users.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17498797

http://www.tobaccoprogram.org/pdf/TC12349.pdf

Could you please provide me with the studies you have seen showing an increase in oral cancer?

And yes, the "American" snus is garbage. Technically dip is American snus (brought over by Swedish immigrants). Dip is fermented instead of steam pasteurized like snus (which kills the nitrites).

What a dumb cluck.