Please help me like my Glock 22 Gen3.

[Mauser KAR98K]

...because I can't hit a damn thing with this. My groupings even at 7 yards are terrible. Ran a 3-gun match with about a year ago and did a 20 round stage with only 4 rounds on target. I contributed this to a new pistol, yet I had been a freakin' surgeon with Glock 17 Gen2 when I was in LE.

What I have noticed is while dry firing is the front sight does move with 80% of the time.

I really want to like the Glock. I have vast amounts of respect for it and wanted the 22 in the stable to also run 9mm in it as well. But this has me frustrated. A good friend is wanting to buy it off of me and I am about to oblige, but I still want to like my Glock enough to be just above proficient with it to keep it.

Is this a trigger issue?

EDC gun is an HK USP9FS, btw.

[R0CKETMAN]

maybe more dry fire. Cartridge on front site post might help.

You could bench it and/or have another shooter take it for a spin to rule out the gun.

[Failure2Stop]

If your groups are wildly different between a G17 and a G22 I would surmise that you are recoil sensitive.
The question that comes up is "how good are you right now with a G17?", and is it possible that you are a victim of "the older I get, the better I was" syndrome?

I shoot a G19 noticeably better than I shoot a M&P45. There are some inherent issues not directly related to me (POI in relation to POA, which hurts for precision at any distance that makes a precision hold difficult), but the heavier recoil definitely effects me if I am not conscious of what I am doing when trying to go as fast as possible.

I would recommend doing a few drills to get over the anticipation, if that is indeed the issue (small chance that it's something else).
Things that work:

Ball and dummy. Don't linger on it, as it's not a great drill if you are an intermediate or above shooter unless working pure accuracy.
Wall drill. Good dry-fire practice.
Empty berm drill. Really good drill, but drains a lot of ammo quickly.

Mixing them up after making ground with each is a good method.
You may also benefit from short range sessions instead of extended sessions. As you become more fatigued, sensitivity to recoil is amplified.

[glockshooter]

"What I have noticed is while dry firing is the front sight does move with 80% of the time."

You have just established it is not the gun. If you are doing everything correctly and the gun prints all over the place then that would be a gun problem. Since you have picked up on the front sight movement then you have at least established what needs work. You have to be able to press the trigger completely to the rear without causing the sights to move. Once you have mastered that you can determine if the gun is the problem. I suspect you will find the gun does exactly what you make it do.

Matt

[Mauser KAR98K]

"What I have noticed is while dry firing is the front sight does move with 80% of the time."

You have just established it is not the gun. If you are doing everything correctly and the gun prints all over the place then that would be a gun problem. Since you have picked up on the front sight movement then you have at least established what needs work. You have to be able to press the trigger completely to the rear without causing the sights to move. Once you have mastered that you can determine if the gun is the problem. I suspect you will find the gun does exactly what you make it do.

Matt

Here is the deal; I only notice it with this gun. With my HKs and my M&Ps, I do not see this and i have tight groupings with them (HKs are tighter than the M&Ps. In fact have been doing a lot of trigger work in the past six months that I have had a mark improvement. But this Glock is not doing it for me.

Failure. I have done ball and dummy drills, and I have noticed some anticipation, but have since worked a lot of that out. I am also not recoil sensitive as I shoot .45ACP well. I do excellent work with my M&P45. They only recoil issue I have is with my index finger after about 300 rounds; got tendinitis in the joint. Thus I have gone to an HK USP45 for that issue.

I have tried moving my trigger finger around on the Glock, going from the first knuckle closest to the pad all the way to the tip and I see this front site flinch.

[walkin' trails]

Do both guns have the same triggers? If so, I also prescribe a lit of dry fire as well as some dummy round drills. If the 22 has a heavier trigger such as the NY-1 or the 8 lb connector and you're not used to it, that could throw you off. Another thing could be the recoil of the 40 over the 9. The last thing is the difference in frames. I have a shooter with two 22s, a Gen 2 and a 3. He averages better scores with the 2, although triggers are both 5 lb. Get with an instructor before you go selling the 22, but there's no shame in sticking with the 17

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[jck397]

Glocks have a lot of variation with the quality of the trigger pull between individual weapons, so you might be working against an ugly trigger in addition to any technique and fundamentals issues you may be facing. If you shoot well with other Glocks, are committed to staying with a .40, and can swap this one out, you might consider picking up a Gen. 4 G22, which is a far better option for .40 in my opinion, may improve the trigger (especially if you can dry fire before buying), and will reduce felt recoil a bit. Although it probably isn't the only cause, it might be a contributing factor.

A question worth asking is what role is the G22 filling for you that your other guns are not? If you don't have a strong need to have a Glock in general, or a Glock .40 specifically, would your time, effort, and training funds be better spent on the platforms you carry and are comfortable with, rather than fighting something that you might not actually need? Just some food for thought...

[Noodle]

I say recoil if the gun is fully functional. You say you have no problem with a .45. Well that's a slow big bullet and will generate less recoil then a .40 which is a fast big bullet. I find steel frame pistols handle the .40 much better than polymer. I would consider going back to a 17 (fast small bullet) which has much less recoil if you want to stay with Glock. My new shooter girlfriend is doing quite well with her 19. Good luck!

[Psalms144.1]

Front sight "jump" is quite common in dry-fire with Glocks, due to the force of the striker hitting home on a VERY lightweight pistol held loosely (as many people are likely to do with dry fire because we know we don't have to fight recoil).

Increase you grip pressure - primarily with the support hand - and see what happens during dry fire.

WRT getting horrible accuracy in live fire, I'd be inclined to diagnose flinchitis, which I find is a VERY common malady for folks "up gunning" to 40 S&W in the Glock platform...

Best of luck!

[ptmccain]

Replace the front sights.

Oh, and replace the G22 with a 9mm.