Noveske the only lower option?

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If weight is a serious concern then keep your eye on these... http://www.jamesmadisontactical.com/...ower-receiver/ I saw them on Rainier first which is the only reason I gave them a second look...

Polymer lowers are a joke. Only meant for a trash can, unless your building up a .22 rifle, or at very most a 9mm upper. Weight can be saved other ways, like barrel profile, rail or handguard choice etc. Even the Mag tactical lowers are worth passing on.


IMO idk why you think your limited to just Noveske. You can use any lower purchased from an FFL that isn't configured as a rifle. Even if it is a complete lower, it is still marked on the form as other, thus you remove the stock and build as a pistol. Like said, it just can't be a complete rifle when you purchase it thus making it other. I'm no lawyer, but common sense says if you go into a shop, or buy a complete lower online that is even "used" and was sold to that ffl by someone/company stripped, there is really no way to verify wtf it originally was, as according to the gov, it was sold to you as "other".

New or used, there is a ton of lowers on the market, and many solid ones.

Grant has Colt lowers in stock, you can get LMT complete lowers, find DD lowers occasionally, Noveske lowers, and a slew of other brands with good reputations. Aero is meh, but works as well. IMO your not going to see any gain from having a Noveske lower, a Colt lower, a LMT lower etc. They all made right. IMO you won't get anything more from a Noveske than you would a LMT, or Colt and so on.

Over thinking this in many ways. Also the whole "tier 1" thing is a bogus concept. Probably best to drop the whole tier 1 ordeal and just focus on good companies and ignore the bad.

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http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...on&key=LWR-BCM

You said you wanted a BCM preferably, well here you go. Perfect base for a pistol. Remove the stock, and put your pistol upper on and your g2g.

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If weight is a serious concern then keep your eye on these... http://www.jamesmadisontactical.com/...ower-receiver/ I saw them on Rainier first which is the only reason I gave them a second look...

Polymer lowers are a joke. Only meant for a trash can, unless your building up a .22 rifle, or at very most a 9mm upper. Weight can be saved other ways, like barrel profile, rail or handguard choice etc. Even the Mag tactical lowers are worth passing on.

Dennis I appreciate the link. I won't use a polymer lower though. While they are lightweight I do not trust them. I have handled a handful of SBRs at shops over the last couple months and I've gotten a good idea of what I'm looking at with my pistol build here. I can get there using the standard 7075 AL receivers.

IMO idk why you think your limited to just Noveske.

I didn't start there. I made this post because I got confused to the point where I thought Noveske was my only option so I needed to put it out there so I could get straightened out. From the beginning I planned on ordering a BCM or Colt. The more I read the more conflicting info came in. I'm very glad to hear I don't have to compromise on what I prefer.

You can use any lower purchased from an FFL that isn't configured as a rifle. Even if it is a complete lower, it is still marked on the form as other, thus you remove the stock and build as a pistol. Like said, it just can't be a complete rifle when you purchase it thus making it other. I'm no lawyer, but common sense says if you go into a shop, or buy a complete lower online that is even "used" and was sold to that ffl by someone/company stripped, there is really no way to verify wtf it originally was, as according to the gov, it was sold to you as "other".

This makes perfect sense to me. I don't mind doing the work to remove the buffer tube, I've got the tools. My concern is if it makes perfect sense to the FFL or not. I recently read a few threads where the FFL wants to put down "rifle" on the 4473form. I'm wondering if I'll run into a hard headed gun counter employee that wants to put down "rifle" because he sees a carbine buffer tube on the end. Aside from discussing it with him so that he writes down "other", what if he refuses to do the transfer? What is my recourse? I had it in my head that a stripped lower is the way to make the transfer foolproof in that regard.

Grant has Colt lowers in stock, you can get LMT complete lowers, find DD lowers occasionally, Noveske lowers, and a slew of other brands with good reputations. Aero is meh, but works as well. IMO your not going to see any gain from having a Noveske lower, a Colt lower, a LMT lower etc. They all made right. IMO you won't get anything more from a Noveske than you would a LMT, or Colt and so on.

Yup, G&R has been on my spreadsheet as one of my primary sources. A while back picked up a BCM completed lower (not from Grant) that went with a 16"LW as the other rifle in the house. Satisfied with it it is a no brainer to get another, if it will transfer as "other".

Discreet, thanks for redirection. I do have a tendency to over think things.

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I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "Tier 1" lower. I highly doubt Noveske even makes their receivers themselves. If you want to build a quality pistol, find a stripped lower from a reputable manufacturer that is made correctly and don't worry about what is printed on the side of it. What matters are the components used inside and on top, and not the engravings.

The new GEN 3 uppers and lowers they do yes, make those themselves.

They have added a ton of new equipment and a new shop... they able to make well, quite a bit of their own stuff... and that will be proven out this year I imagine.

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Call me crazy but if I wanted to be sure I would go to local gun store and ask for the owner or manager and explain that you are buying XXX and want to know how they intend to mark the 4473. If you don't get the answer you seek then you know. I am pretty sure SIONICS has some stuff in stock to include stripped lowers.

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The new GEN 3 uppers and lowers they do yes, make those themselves.

They have added a ton of new equipment and a new shop... they able to make well, quite a bit of their own stuff... and that will be proven out this year I imagine.

That's good to know. I know in the past they reportedly subbed them out. Glad to see the company moving forward and growing.

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Call me crazy but if I wanted to be sure I would go to local gun store and ask for the owner or manager and explain that you are buying XXX and want to know how they intend to mark the 4473. If you don't get the answer you seek then you know. I am pretty sure SIONICS has some stuff in stock to include stripped lowers.

That'd be prudent. I'll ask next trip out.
I did another run through on the site and had a look at the completed lowers. Great price on those. Put them on the spreadsheet so they stay in consideration. I saw the U/L stripped combo but not individual. Might have to inquire directly for that. Thanks for the head's up.

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Just for an information dump, you can find a stickied thread on arfcom covering all the legalities of pistols. Such as removing a stock from a completed lower etc. Like IG said, a phone call or stop by the place you want to transfer to is a good idea to make sure they don't have their heads up their behind. They should always be marking even completed lowers as other, as without the upper on it, its not a rifle, nor a pistol. But even still, good to make sure they know what they are doing.

Also may want to check up on your state & local laws to make sure everything peachy also. Those ATF letters will let you know whats legit and what not. Technically you wont even need to put a pistol extension on the lower, and can just rock a normal RE. Most people prefer just to have a pistol RE on however to help avoid bs, as well as confusion, especially if your one to go to ranges full of the braindead type.

[Dead Man]

If you're really worried about it, buy 3 lowers, make sure at least one is "in spec," and sell (or safe shelf) the other two.

I think your fears are a notch or two into the "paranoid" end of the fear spectrum, however. Millions of Americans have ordered millions of quality in-spec lower receivers. Problems are rare. I've ordered dozens of lowers over the years and have only had one give me problems. Magazines wouldn't drop free. I sent it back. No big deal.

Pick any lower you want, but I don't think fear of it being out of spec should play into it. All of the major manufacturers have the lower receiver thing down really well. I personally doubt any are any more likely than any other to be in or out of spec.

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Paranoid? Nah. I'm particular to avoid problems. I think that is called a control freak.

Just for an information dump, you can find a stickied thread on arfcom covering all the legalities of pistols. Such as removing a stock from a completed lower etc. Like IG said, a phone call or stop by the place you want to transfer to is a good idea to make sure they don't have their heads up their behind. They should always be marking even completed lowers as other, as without the upper on it, its not a rifle, nor a pistol. But even still, good to make sure they know what they are doing.

Also may want to check up on your state & local laws to make sure everything peachy also. Those ATF letters will let you know whats legit and what not. Technically you wont even need to put a pistol extension on the lower, and can just rock a normal RE. Most people prefer just to have a pistol RE on however to help avoid bs, as well as confusion, especially if your one to go to ranges full of the braindead type.

Check & check - thanks.