Could also just be risk-aversion. Have to be careful with that one, also.Originally Posted by Shorts
Paranoid? Nah. I'm particular to avoid problems. I think that is called a control freak.
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Could also just be risk-aversion. Have to be careful with that one, also.Paranoid? Nah. I'm particular to avoid problems. I think that is called a control freak.
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True. Funny you mentioned that. SO & I had a good laugh about that. He's less risk averse, I'm more. We've had some stupidly great arguments due to our differences.
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That made me laugh. Of course he's less risk averse, a squid who served in a landlocked country has to be. :-p
Honestly, I've never had a problem with Aero lowers and the cost savings that were applied elsewhere on the build outweighed the name on the lower for me.
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Hah! You've met the guy, am I right???
It's good to see you pop up. Wondered how you were doing.
I'm glad you mentioned Aero. I've had them on my list before and considered them for this build here. Prices are a darn sure savings and alluring. I was waffling between a 'blingin' build and just a build, especially since this is a legacy build for me, and likely for SBR. I've worked the spread sheet several ways now. I'll just have to pick one and go. My problem is I keep changing my mind as I'm doing this build in pieces, trying to spread the cost. Yesterday I was asked "He sweetie, what was that parts kit you got in the mail yesterday going to?". Uhmm...
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Honestly, with any lower you buy, be it Colt, BCM, Noveske, or DD, you need to test it out as a pistol before you send in the SBR paperwork. It would just be your luck to be the one person that has an out of spec lower from a good company. I'm sure you can find someone on a gun forum somewhere that has gotten an out of spec lower from those four companies. Personally, I would run at least 2000 rounds through it as a pistol before I SBRed the lower to check function.
ETA: I should caveat that I actually buy Surplus Ammo and Arms-marked lowers built for them by Aero. It adds another pair of eyes to the QC check when the SAA guys receive them at the store, and I do get to inspect in person before I buy since SAA and Aero are both local to me.
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Sounds good. I'll be certain to put those rounds through. Thanks IZ.
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So I asked... (and I put this here so that my thread/questions are followed up with resolutions. I realize most the guys that have responded here are well aware of what the laws are. This is not for them. This is for other readers who stumble on my thread and can use this information).
The FFL marks a complete lower (w/stock) as a "rifle".<-- that was the look I gave him and asked "even if it has never had a rifle length upper installed on it"? He says "Yes, it is a rifle because it has a stock on it". I know this in incorrect as I am looking directly at an ATF letter addressing this exactly. It is HERE
I asked what he'd mark a complete lower w/o stock but still has a carbine receiver tube. He said, "Receiver".
I asked what he marks a stripped lower as. He said "Receiver".
I looked at Q.18 on the 4473 and "receiver" is categorized under the check box of "Other". That is HERE. I expect this to be the appropriate result though.
I asked if he had stripped lowers in stock and how much. He showed me what he had. Also said I'd end up overpaying to order a stripped lower from anywhere and have it shipped to him (so buy out of his inventory instead, can't fault the guy, he is in business of sales).
To be completely clear with him so I could get his answer I told him I was building a pistol so I needed to make sure that the lower I was getting was going to be marked on the 4473 properly. He said "get the stripped lower or the complete lower without a stock on it". We chatted for a bit about what length upper and calibers, reloading, etc then tried to sell me a PSA LPK for $120 lol I told him thanks but no thanks, not needed as I had an LPK already but I would grab a couple boxes of ammo (his prices were on target).
About his information about the complete lower w/stock, he's wrong on that. It does not affect me in this case. Should I show him that ATF letter or do you think it would insult him? I'm not out to change the world, but it's talked about here that a lot of dealers or gun counter guys that are not informed. Should I take the opportunity or let it go? Got a good rapport going with this guy, who I think is actually the owner of the place. I don't want to screw it up.
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no, there are lots of lowers are out there that work and are good quality
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The definition of salesmanship is telling someone to go to Hell in such a manner that they look forward to the trip.
You know more about the guy than we do. He might listen, he might not. I honestly gave up on "educating" people about firearms about 5 years ago. If he can read and understand the BATFE letter, that would be a win. But who knows. Cognitive dissonance is as powerful a force in nature as gravity, and often more painful to encounter.
Good luck with the pistol build, I'm looking forward to the thought process behind it.
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