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    More than likely the agent will have you write in "living". I sent one in with extra wording that wasn't needed, all I had to do was draw a line through it and initial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramarine View Post
    Today I received my Tax Stamp for my SBR but discovered an error in the application that the ATF didn't pick up.

    On the application (and on the approved form) it reads "[My Name] Revocable Trust" but my Trust (and the etching on my receiver) is "[My Name] Revocable Living Trust"

    That is, I screwed up and left the word "Living" off my application and unfortunately the ATF didn't catch my mistake and approved the application today.

    I called the ATF and was transferred to the voice mail of the agent who approved the form. I hope to hear back from him soon about what I need to do to fix my screw up.

    Anyone have any experience with an application that was approved with an error? Any idea on what the fix will be?

    I just hope I don't have to start the whole process over again.

    Thanks and Semper fi.

    This is exactly what I have been talking about. You are clogging the system with a non issue. There was no reason to contact the ATF about this matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfpack45 View Post
    More than likely the agent will have you write in "living". I sent one in with extra wording that wasn't needed, all I had to do was draw a line through it and initial.
    This. I mixed up the order of 'revocable living' on a form 1 and the examiner requested I correct the error like that.

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    This is so retarded. You have the stamp. END OF STORY!! No one gives a shit about engraving or trust names now that you have the stamp.
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    I figured I'd update folks on this.

    First, thanks everyone for the input, I appreciate folk's perspective.

    I spoke with the ATF agent. Apparently, applying for and having a stamp in the wrong name of the manufacturer (which is exactly what I did) is a big deal - though not uncommon. It isn't something you can just blow off, as some folks suggested, and the error needs to be corrected.

    If ever I wanted to transfer the weapon it would have been a problem. Also, since I plan to carry the paperwork and stamp with my NFA items in case I'm ever challenged by some LEO (and we've all heard stories of it happening) I don't want to leave any room for some Barney Fife to give me some serious grief when he notices my stamp doesn't match my receiver.

    So, with that reality to deal with, the agent had a relatively easy fix. He went back and Disapproved the already-approved application (and refunded my $200). He then had me start the whole process over again, and call him with the number of my application once it was finalized.

    It took me all of 15 minutes to redo the process and in about 2 business days he reapproved my application.

    So, now I have my correct stamp and all is good.

    Thanks again for the input. And if anyone else ever has a similar problem, where you make a mistake on the form that doesn't get caught by ATF, I highly recommend taking the necessary steps to correct it and not just ignore the issue. It might come back and bite you some day.

    Semper fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramarine View Post
    Also, since I plan to carry the paperwork and stamp with my NFA items in case I'm ever challenged by some LEO (and we've all heard stories of it happening) I don't want to leave any room for some Barney Fife to give me some serious grief when he notices my stamp doesn't match my receiver.
    I still don't see the issue if the serial number is right.

    LEO: You have paperwork for that?
    You: Yes sir, right here.
    LEO: Serial number, check.
    Make/model , check.
    The word 'living'... Not present... Hands on hood. Do it now.

    Just dont see it happening. But glad you got it fixed so youre comfortable with it.

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    I'd ignore it. Mens Rea simply does not exist, here. Sadly, mens rea is not necessary to prosecute strict liability crimes (like possession). However, I find it impossible to believe that this would ever have caused you a moment's headache.
    Last edited by WS6; 01-26-14 at 19:20.

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    See my responses below.

    Quote Originally Posted by paramarine View Post
    I figured I'd update folks on this.

    First, thanks everyone for the input, I appreciate folk's perspective.

    I spoke with the ATF agent. Apparently, applying for and having a stamp in the wrong name of the manufacturer (which is exactly what I did) is a big deal - though not uncommon. It isn't something you can just blow off, as some folks suggested, and the error needs to be corrected.

    Which ATF agent? Someone from NFA Branch or someone at some field office. Most of whom are ill-informed and confused by their own policies.

    If ever I wanted to transfer the weapon it would have been a problem. Also, since I plan to carry the paperwork and stamp with my NFA items in case I'm ever challenged by some LEO (and we've all heard stories of it happening) I don't want to leave any room for some Barney Fife to give me some serious grief when he notices my stamp doesn't match my receiver.

    Most LEO's are also ignorant of the law and wouldn't give it a second look. In addition there is no money to be made in transferring an SBR lower that has been engraved so you have no resale value. If this was a factory gun, maybe.

    So, with that reality to deal with, the agent had a relatively easy fix. He went back and Disapproved the already-approved application (and refunded my $200). He then had me start the whole process over again, and call him with the number of my application once it was finalized.

    It took me all of 15 minutes to redo the process and in about 2 business days he reapproved my application.

    So, now I have my correct stamp and all is good.

    Thanks again for the input. And if anyone else ever has a similar problem, where you make a mistake on the form that doesn't get caught by ATF, I highly recommend taking the necessary steps to correct it and not just ignore the issue. It might come back and bite you some day.

    Most of us check all of this before we send it off and it's also the reason why people have recommended following the process in a certain order just because of stuff like this.

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    Would have ignored.....

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    Glad you got it worked out and off your mind. Personally I would have ignored the error and not even bothered to ask. Clearly it was bothering you however, so you did the right thing by getting it corrected.

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